It is volume 53 (52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0)
This is a part of a raw and uneven journal of discovering the origins of the writing systems,
so I recommend you to read the summary of this work instead.



to answer why the voiced-voiceless separation is way less obvious in the latin alphabet, we have too look in depth and width of it:

C used to be voiced
F is voiced in welsh, and so was Ϝ in greek, and so is ვ in georgian and ו in hebrew holding that place.
H is even vowel in greek, so could be voiced, but I don't know about it yet.
K is lost, literally lost in some alphabets: italian, irish, welsh,
R belongs to the K spot, among other sonors.

V is voiceless in german
W is a later addition
Y is another mystery,
Z is voiceless in german

Hebrew has a larger claster of voiceless in the first half: not just к, but ח ט י כ
Which aggravates that H riddle and adds ט the θ~ѳ to it.
Which says what? that russians removed ѳ to construct that voiced-voiceless pattern? What stopped them from switching K & R ?    Kristos Rei?     Židov?

a b c d
e f g h
i J K l m n    I Jesus Kristos le Man.   Je sus Kristos Le MaN.   Je Krist LaMb Nazarean
(is it why b is voiceless? b is baa, or even beee)

Ба у большого барана
бе у барана маленького


жук ~ жужук
лук ~ lilac? лиловый? лилейный? лилии луковичное растение.

стук туктук, но от этого проще не становится

Стуча пальцем по столу вертикально, так чтоб на ноготь пришёлся основной удар, я слышу т непосредственно в момент контакта и к как звон-послезвучие.  Когда я стучу подушечкой, то такого звона не возникает, и этот звук лучше охарактеризовать как tap (в русском это кап: видимо в америкосов вода капает на менее звонкие предметы чем у русских)


A
B   C
D   E   F
G   H     L   M
N   O   P
Q   R
S   T   U   V   Z

:Italian is almost perfect
A B C D
E F G H
I L M N
O P Q R S T
U V Z

and it seems additional letters in the second half of it forced M to drift into the depth of the alphabet, and thus off The labial column.



Agrippa's three mothers אוי could be corresponding Adam Eve and Lilith.
(Agrippa's because we know them from him)
And it came to me when Saakyantz's first animated film, Lilit, told me that Lilit was made of fire, and because Adam was made of soil, it made me think of three Mother letters, and I noticed that Adam is male, and thus odd numbers 1 and 3 carry his letter, while Lilit and Eve are ו and י by their second letters.
 
But, though female is indeed associated with water, Eve was told to be made out of Adam's rib and not of water. Probably, some other tradition relates it with water. I'll ask ai about it.

Grok liked it. So I asked him where did Agrippa take his point of view about the three mothers, and here's the answer it gave me: The key figure is Dunash ibn Tamim (10th century, North Africa; also known as Abu Sahl or Adonim), a pioneering Jewish scholar in grammar, medicine, astronomy, and philosophy under Islamic rule. He engaged critically with Sefer Yetzirah commentaries. Saadia Gaon (another major 10th-century commentator) followed the standard אמש elemental reading (Air-Water-Fire). Dunash argued instead that the "three mothers" refer to the matres lectionis (vowel letters): Aleph, Vav, and Yod (א ו י). These are the "mothers" because they "give voice" to the consonants — they function as semivowels or vowel markers in Hebrew orthography.
Dunash grounded this in phonetics and linguistics rather than pure mysticism: Aleph as pure breath (from the lungs, without other articulators), with Vav and Yod as the other primary vowel carriers. He was skeptical of (or saw limited meaning in) the elemental אמש interpretation. This view appears in his commentary on Sefer Yetzirah. Later writers, including Phineas Mordell (in his 1914 analysis The Origin of Letters and Numerals According to the Sefer Yetzirah), reference Dunash's position and note that Aleph-Vav-Yod were seen as the original vowels of the Hebrew alphabet.

Three Mothers are Matres Lectionis makes too much sense because Mothers ~ Matres

I also asked if there are others, and the answer was Yes, but it's a minority position overall: Matres lectionis tradition: Aleph, Vav, Yod (sometimes including Heh) are widely recognized in Hebrew grammar as vowel helpers (matres lectionis — "mothers of reading"). Some teaching contexts casually call Hey, Vav, and Yod the "three mothers of reading Hebrew" for this reason.
Occasional Kabbalistic crossovers: Some texts link YHV (from the Tetragrammaton) to the mothers in derivative ways (e.g., correspondences where Yud=Mem, Heh=Shin, Vav=Aleph), but this is more about mapping than redefining the mothers.
The final sentence Yud=Mem, Heh=Shin, Vav=Aleph seems to be a halluciantion, but then what do I know, isn't its opinion as good as opinion of some random scholar? It doesn't make it good though, considering what garbage they tend to publish. But then, what do I know, I should leave it here and when this subject raises, she knows where to find me (that sentence is semi-automatic, because I get drunk easily, I don't know what do ...it's time to go to bed, because I am semi-asleep. Good bye.




In the context of mAth mYth mUse, Agrippan, and, if ai is true, Tamiman version of what three mothers are is to the point.
Dunash ibn Tamim (Hebrew: דונש אבן תמים) was a Jewish tenth century scholar, and a pioneer of scientific study among Arabic-speaking Jews. His Arabic name was أبو سهل Abu Sahl; his surname, according to an isolated statement of Moses ibn Ezra, was "Al-Shafalgi," perhaps after his (unknown) birthplace. Another name referring to him is Adonim.
I wonder if music is cognate of mouth
and here's an image, supporting Grok's way to correspond one set of three mothers to the other:

He chose 3 of the simple letters with the secret of the 3 Mothers ( א מם ש ) and He fixed them within His Great Name ( יהוה )

Three Mothers, Alef-Mem-Shin—Their foundation is the palm of guilt and the palm of innocence, and the tongue of edict decides between them.
Three Mothers, Alef-Mem-Shin—A great secret, concealed and covered and sealed in Six Rings. From them emerge Fire and Water, being divided male and female. Three Mothers, Alef-Mem-Shin is their foundation—from them are born Fathers from which all is created.
Three Mothers, Alef-Mem-Shin—In the World are Air, Water, Fire. The heavens were created first from Fire, and the earth is created from Water, and the Air decides between the fire and the water.
Here we again agree on one correspondence, that of the three vowels י must be corresponding to ש, because both are made by tongue. But they had other way of thought about the rest: since ה is used twice in the name, and one of its position is final, and מ has two forms, one of which is specifically final, they worked from there. Also on the image is not the version of Agrippa (I still don't know if Tamim had anything to do with it: wiki tells he can be the author of Sefer Yetzirah, so I dunno yet) it is the third version only Grok told me about.
That serie of images keeps on delivering:

ש being attributed to the 0 card of tarot, namely The Fool, is in line with the suspicion of those three mothers actually being אמת, not אמש: the first, the middle, and the last letters (מ is the central if ש is removed and מ is placed at the spot where כ is now)

Hm, interesting, כ is attributed to the Sun.
So, maybe some solar cult was what removed מ (maybe the Moon) from its position.
(this guess is aligned with the idea of patriarchal takeover of a matriarchal culture which created the alphabet as a reason for J/K to be at the M spot)

Grok translated שמאם as Name of the Mother.
My mother's name is Tanya, which is crazy, since it's also the name of the Chabad's main text.
That אמ is ma in hebrew may tell that they're sataists who reversed not only the direction of the writing, but also the normal universal words. But that's one of the crazy ideas, should be taken with a grain of salt if at all.

And a couple more, this time it shows that כ indeed hold the central position, and because it is attributed to the Sun, it begs the question if it was placed there when it was understood that Sun and not Ocean (which Earth mostly is) is in the centre. Good thing they didn't place ש there.


no commentary where I took it, maybe will dig into it later.

I was wondering if hebrew word for Sun starts with כ, but not, it is שֶׁמֶש, as if Fire the Mother of Fire.
No, there is no common or standard Hebrew word for "Sun" that starts with כ (Kaf).Standard Hebrew Words for "Sun"שֶׁמֶשׁ (shemesh) — The most common biblical and modern Hebrew word for the Sun.
חַמָּה (chammah) — "The hot one" / "heat", used poetically in the Bible (e.g., in Psalms and Song of Songs).
Neither starts with Kaf.
Words Starting with כ    Words beginning with כ are usually related to:
Palm of the hand (kaf)    Spoon, or other curved objects    Words like koach (strength), kavod (glory/honor), keren (horn/ray), etc.

And it is the answer: koach ~ strength (it's literally called strength in one of the previous images)

that ch they end koach with is h, simple fricative voiceless with the back of the tongue.

כֹּחַ (koach) — strength, power, force, energy
כַּף (kaf) — palm (of the hand), spoon; also the letter Kaf itself
כָּבוֹד (kavod) — glory, honor, respect, weight
כֶּסֶף (kesef) — silver, money
כּוֹס (kos) — cup, glass
כּוֹכָב (kokhav) — star
כֶּלֶב (kelev) — dog
כּוֹתֶל (kotel) — wall (famous as the Western Wall)
כָּבֵד (kaved) — heavy, liver (as organ)
כְּלִי (kli) — vessel, tool, instrument
כָּרָה (karah) — to dig, or "Kara" as in a name
כֶּרֶם (kerem) — vineyard
כְּנָף (kenaf) — wing, edge, corner

כֶּתֶר (keter) — crown (also the top Sefirah on the Tree of Life)
כַּדּוּר (kadur) — ball, sphere, globe
כּוֹחוֹת (koachot) — forces, powers (plural of koach)
כְּתָב (ktav) — writing, script
כָּחוֹל (kachol) — blue (color)

that חַ is that specia.l case, inverting the syllable. As if the following form of the alphabet was in use (later simplified. That is what we do! We simplify the alphabet)

Most of those hebrew words end with closed sillable, but koah is different:  k  is vocalized with  o,  thus  a  belongs to  h,  right? not necessary: a dyphthongation of the  k's  vowel could happen,  h  could have nothing to do with it.  But it happened around that  h.   In its presence, so  h  could be a catalist of the dyphthongization. And basically it could be because it had such a stronk  a  to it... stronk, duh, nah


So, the main reason why we diverted here is Grok's response that no word for Sun starts with כ in hebrew.
But כַּדּוּר (kadur) — ball, sphere, globe is a perfect word for "светило" и наверное в древние телескопы венера была видима как шар (naturally they knew magnification since they invented a glass ball.

Sun has the crown.    כֶּתֶר (keter) — crown

keter ~ kadur
C is for Centre. Sun'tre? Sun-tree?

Sun-T're?
Sun-+'re
Those who came with the word centre, knew that sun was in the centre of the world.  Our centre of the leash. We're our own centre of the spin, but in 365 of such spins we make 360 degrees of rotation around the Sun. And sun moves around the centre of the universe with some ratio, and I wonder if it's around 360 sun's spins too.
Maybe we got a weird coincidence.
The Sun takes about 27 Earth days to complete one rotation on its axis, though the speed changes depending on where you look. As NASA Science explains, the Sun is made of hot gas and plasma, so different parts spin at different speeds.
And if it is true, naturally we don't rotate around


And that is not a coincidence, we invented 360 degrees for our calendar. plus a 5-day extra week.
That difference between 360 and the number of days in a year indicates that we could be measuring our months by 6 weeks of 5 days each.
Not 5 weeds weeks by 6 days, but 6 weeks by 5 days, because 5 weeks make no astronomical sense.
With 6 weeks we can count 6 phases of the moon: n0 mo0n, growing grescent, growing full, waning full, waning crescent. wait, those are 5 phases. And I doubt new moon can keep 0 for 6 days. I didn't get confused by a 7-day 0-phase?
6 phases would it be if the full moon was as much a week as the new moⵔn
new morning ~ new mooning?
good morning ~ good mooning?
because butt-naked, just out of bed.
But why would we sleep but-naked?
Because the clothes was expensive.
Good clothes, which we would wear to show-off.
We used to live butt-naked when we already spoke.
Луна как жопа две половинки имеет?
New Moon is the ass.
Is crescent the beginning of it?
and the end.
The show is the newmoon?
for KoPRoFiles, maybe.

передаю́
перееда́ю

переда́м
перееда́л

Russian stress seems to be rather random: both за́мок и замо́к are

за́мок то что замыкают (закрывают)
замо́к это то что замыкает (закрывает)

замо́к в активном залоге   (-ing)
за́мок в пассивном залоге  (-ed)

ing~ed? did such stress distribution (распределение ударения (gosh, who's gonna decypher it!)) play the same

чухан ~ китайский хан? чухонь?

чи чу ча всё формы склонения одной морфемы, обозначающей китай (мы у них этот звук заимствовали? чтоб использовать его для Чай, China, Чайна как Чайная? отчаянье удивительное слово: быть под властью китайцев наверное тяжело: язык пизданутый, а текст это вообще невозможно изучить нормальному человеку. Человек с китайской Ч?  Чело?  Видимо всёже не только китай обозначает ч.

что? чо*?  ~  китайская грамота
*чо по японски жопа (обычно говорят "по китайски")

На иврите жопа תַחַת [táhat] но это видимо пример того, что ת читалась как s:
טאָכעס [я знаю как ту́хес, но g.t. underlines אָ with a-sound, thus та́хес[táhes]]
ту́хес could appear if somebody transliterated a sound with u, as bus does,
and somebody else would read that  u  as a.

And that word indicates that ת could easily be substituted with ט..  and with ס too.
And ח used in hebrew is כ in yiddish.
And ח looks like rotated כ!

Imagine how exhalted would I become, if it was not ת but ש! But no, this mystery is waiting for its own "coincidence" (I call them that, because they all are, until proven to be systemic)

If ת is one of the mothers, then טס are after it. One is explicitly s and the other's explicitly t.
While ת is both.
When there were only two consonants,
they were voiced and voiceless.
Then, who knows how much later, they were reinterpreted as labial and lingual.
Why? Because they also are.
But in separation of ת into plosive and fricative, into S&T the claster,
all forms are both lingual and voiceless.

But the difference within three mothers changes the balance in the other two groups.
Where does ש go? Disappears? If it is zer0, it is nothing.
There's a guy on youtube, mentioning my axial symmetery, he uses 0 to spell psy0p in its name,
that's not me, but I think I borrowed that spelling from him directly. I didn't contact him, because he uses drugs I do not use, but then it was extremely selish of me. I should have teached him how to get high.
He also spoke with a scary voice, which is probably a sign of insecurity, my insecure voice is not much better (the early experiments is reading my thing are crazy bad) and the only video I have uploaded so far uses three distorted sentences read at once. Very scary. Why? Rock'n'roll. Satanic, insecure.


尻 is ass in japanese, shiri (g.t. adds a honorific お to it: お尻 [oshiri])
屁股 is ass in chinese, pigu[piku] (g.t. translate 屁 as пердеть, and both words start with the same pi, russians go further into showing how exactly tight their asses are. chinese пук is almost паф. Но нет, я груб, их пук звокий как и как и, со скрипом, как мокрым пальцем по оконному стеклу, как в анекдоте, в котором баба в купе пёрнула и начала скрипеть пальцем по стеклу типа не пердела, а грузин такой "что, никак скрипёж под пердёж не подберёшь?"
Chinese transliterate 股 (g.t. tells "to share" is the meaning of that ku) as gu, but pronounces as ku. Is it a reason to believe that they used to pronounce it as gu? but since decided to tone it down for reasons of decency?


German can never be the language of international communication because abfahrt sounds as up-fart.


Cherokee's  A  looks like  D:  Ꭰ.
and their ko/go looks like A:  Ꭺ.
(why would Sequoia invented a syllabary, when they met alphabets? Whether Cherokee understood what their syllables meant (and then they still should) or it was an indigenous writing system, existing before europeans. And the legend was needed to justify that those exterminated peoples are savages.

Knorozov was fearing arrest, when he presented his discovery, because Engels himself said that aborigens of the Americas had no writing system.

So let's give more attention to Cherokee linear script as if it was somehow related to the european scripts:
Ꮃ [la]
Ꮇ [lu]
Ꮤ [ta (tʰa)]
just as t is an l with a cross on it, so doess Ꮤ look like Ꮃ with a cross.


ᎠᎡᎢᎣᎤᎥᎦᎧᎨᎩᎪᎫᎬᎭᎮᎯᎰᎱᎲᎳᎴᎵᎶᎷᎸᎹᎺᎻᎼᎽᎾᎿᏀᏁᏂᏃᏄᏅᏆᏇᏈᏉᏊᏋᏌᏍᏎᏏᏐᏑᏒᏓᏔᏕᏖᏗᏘᏙᏚᏛᏜᏝᏞᏟᏠᏡᏢᏣᏤᏥᏦᏧᏨᏩᏪᏫᏬᏭᏮᏯ
ꭰꭱꭲꭳꭴꭵꭶꭷꭸꭹꭺꭻꭼꭽꭾꭿꮀꮁꮂꮃꮄꮅꮆꮇꮈꮉꮊꮋꮌꮍꮎꮏꮐꮑꮒꮓꮔꮕꮖꮗꮘꮙꮚꮛꮜꮝꮞꮟꮠꮡꮢꮣꮤꮥꮦꮧꮨꮩꮪꮫꮬꮭꮮꮯꮰꮱꮲꮳꮴꮵꮶꮷꮸꮹꮺꮻꮼꮽꮾꮿ
ᏰᏱᏲᏳᏴᏵ        ᏸᏹᏺᏻᏼᏽ

Historic Cherokee syllabary order used by Sequoyah, with the now-obsolete letter Ᏽ in red:

So, the order didn't even start with A,
it started with E, and went as E A La and who knows what is next.
Should I dig into it? I think my thing is wild enough, but to dig into it I would correspond all letters of this "historic" syllabary with the previous set.
But then it will make my work even more crazy. But why would I care. Once I suggested that ancient Americans had their own writing systems, I should suggest that the writing systems they had were indigenous and had its own important role in the history of writing. I never heard that native americans were fascinated by writing, which may indicate that whether they were too monkey-like to appreciate it, or that they had their own writing systems, and they knew what europeans did to those who had them, so they reasonably didn't want to announce it. But if I want to decypher Cherokees, I should work with the hand-written cherokee, because it wouldn't be modified to fit into the printing machine.

why would they adopt this crazy shit if it wasn't their own already? I'm just saying, hopefully ai analyzes all the corpus of boring administrative documentation of the epoch and tells if my suggestion makes sense and how much of it.

these numerals are crazy, the way 1 and 5 are like I & V is wild, and that that V is of archaic Λ-like shape is even crazier, but in the way which makes a perfect sense: the systems are so different, so it must have been awhile since they separated.
The way the additions to their base-forms of numbers from 2 to 4 are different from those from 6 to 8.. wait.. from 2 to 5 and from 7 to 10 is crazy. They do not have 1 and 5, they have 1 and 6 as the bases of their numerals. Which is even further from the (probably) original V for Vier.
And actually in line with hebrews ו for Sex. Is it why some vibrators look like ו?

The way 11 is the next base is pure crazy, no europeans would do it this way. He wasn't an european. Some say that his a legendary figure, which may mean that he never existed, a scholarly legend.

The way 11 to 15 go is surprisingly comprehensible, but from 16 to 20 it's just mess, chaos.
(and it seems each numeral is that way arbitrary)

The logic of 30, 40, 50 and even 60 is comprehensible, but what is 70? 30+40?
what is 80? what is 90? what is 100?

once again:



another american writing system too great for a christian to come up with is Cree:

also a syllabary.
The guy in the video tells that because Sequoia made a syllabary for his language, other american writing systems followed his advice. Which, I suggest, is based upon not a single thing, rather than scholastic demand to prove the recency of the writing systems, to support the belief that those nations didn't have writing systems before europeans came. For that would be inconvenient, and they probably has some agreements between colonial nations not to exterminate literary nations. The way the peoples of the East were not exterminated.

Inuktitut:

This one is inuktitut. And it seems the only have three vowels, and those are the same vowels old-persian cuneiform had.
They also used smaller shapes of -a syllable to represent single consonant phonemes without the vowel part, as if those are literally reduced. And it is interesting, that (according to that table) they didn't have hi-hu-ha syllables, but we can restore them by enlarging and rotaing the shape of h.

The way their q is literally rk, as if k which looks like r or stands around it, is mind-blowing too.
Then way ng-syllables work, the way nng-syllables work, they way li is formed, those final syllables are the most insane. but then that łi thing represents a whole tradition of making -i syllable by rotating -a syllable upside down (-u syllable is made by rotating it from right to left)
Actually, it is exactly how the most inuktitut -i syllables are formed, basically  -, p-, v-, t-, r-  are the only five columns do it it differently. Too complicated to be recent. A whole messy culture feels beneath that tradition.

The video from which I took those images is rather interesting. Also in that it notices that english vowels are lengthened if they're followed by a voiced consonant, so  o  in  rope  is shorter than in  robe.



What follows is some wild thing, and it could be a recent invention of the author of the book it was taken from, but then I've been looking for alphabetic steganography in sewing patterns, and here's such steganography explained:








1000 years old people in bible whether demonstrate that it is intentionally false. The way it demonstrated that the first thing god told people was a lie. Or, in wider sense, it was also true.
(they didn't immediately die, but they became mortal. So why wouldn't god give them the fruit of tree of life? Is it our task to eat from the fruit of the tree of life?




The Flower Of Life:

it has 37 nodes: 1 in the centre, 6 around it, 12 around it, 12 at the final row, 6 at the very rim.
The triangle of 37 is 666. or is it 36?
(as square of 37 is 1369)

it has 70 petels, but it seems that's the artists fault that it doesn't have72: 6 in the centre, 6 around it, 18 around it, 12 around it, and the final circle of this flower is unfinished: it lacks circle of the lowermost node, at the very rim, where the lowest petel touches, so here the outermost circle of petels has 28/30 petels (it has 28 painted on this image, but it may has 30, if additional circle is drawn. It reminds months way too much. A standard lunar month (the synodic month or cycle of phases) lasts an average of 29.53 days (29 days, 12 hours, and 44 minutes). Other types of lunar months, like the sidereal month, last about 27.32 days.

Types of Lunar Months
Synodic Month: 29.53 days from one identical phase (like new moon to new moon) to the next.
Sidereal Month: 27.32 days for the moon to orbit once relative to the fixed background stars.
Anomalistic Month: 27.55 days from perigee to perigee (closest point to Earth).
Draconic Month: 27.21 days from node to node, used to track eclipses.

Humans began observing the sidereal month—tracking the Moon's position relative to the background stars—by at least 1000 BCE to 500 BCE, though informal observations likely started much earlier.While tracking Moon phases (synodic months) for hunting and fertility dates back 30,000 years, measuring the Moon against specific stars required organized astronomy.

some more of this chapter to close it:



This image features a complex mystical or artistic mandala structured around a geometric pattern known as the Seed of Life or Flower of Life.The characters written inside the circles and intersections are primarily from the Ge'ez (Ethiopic) script, which is used for languages like Amharic and Tigrinya, though some symbols resemble Greek letters or esoteric sigils.Prominent Characters IdentifiedHere are several recognizable Ge'ez characters visible in the diagram:ሀ (Hä): Located in the far-left yellow circle.ገ (Gä): Located in the yellow circle to the left of the center.ከ (Kä): Located in the dead center of the horizontal axis.የ (Yä): Located in the bottom-most yellow circle (resembling an inverted 'P' or a loop).በ (Bä): Appears in multiple places, including the horizontal line to the right of the center.ለ (Lä): Located in the bottom-right yellow circle (looks similar to the Greek letter lambda \(\lambda \)).ሐ (Ḥä) / ሠ (Śä): Various orders and modifications of these characters appear in red and white scattered around the inner rings.Context of the DiagramThe alignment of these specific characters along a geometric grid indicates this is likely a linguistic mandala, talisman, or modern esoteric artwork. It uses the phonetic or mystical properties associated with the Ethiopic alphabet mapped onto sacred geometry coordinates to create a symbolic matrix.If you are looking for a specific translation, let me know if this comes from a particular text, spiritual tradition, or artist, as esoteric diagrams often use cryptic codes rather than standard readable sentences!
ሁሂሃሄህሆሇሉሊላሌልሎሏሑሒሓሔሕሖሗሙሚማሜምሞሟሡሢሣሤሥሦሧሩሪራሬርሮሯሱሲሳሴስሶሷሹሺሻሼሽሾሿቁቂቃቄቅቆቇቈቊቋቌቍቑቒቓቔቕቖቘቚቛቜቝ
ቡቢባቤብቦቧቩቪቫቬቭቮቯቱቲታቴትቶቷቹቺቻቼችቾቿኁኂኃኄኅኆኇኈኊኋኌኍኑኒናኔንኖኗኙኚኛኜኝኞኟኡኢኣኤእኦኧኩኪካኬክኮኯኰኲኳኴኵኹኺኻኼኽኾዀዂዃዄዅ
ዉዊዋዌውዎዏዑዒዓዔዕዖዙዚዛዜዝዞዟዡዢዣዤዥዦዧዩዪያዬይዮዯዱዲዳዴድዶዷዹዺዻዼዽዾዿጁጂጃጄጅጆጇጉጊጋጌግጎጏጐጒጓጔጕጙጚጛጜጝጞጟ
ጡጢጣጤጥጦጧጩጪጫጬጭጮጯጱጲጳጴጵጶጷጸጹጺጻጼጽጾጿፁፂፃፄፅፆፇፉፊፋፌፍፎፏ
ፚ፝፞፟ፑፒፓፔፕፖፗ፠።፣፤፥፦፧፨፩፪፫፬፭፮፯፰፱፲፳፴፵፶፷፸፹፺፻፼
Interesting how all the biliteral words are written from the perspective of the central letter.
> Is it አ in the very centre?
No, the character in the very center is actually ከ (Kä).

Interesting, አ looks so much like ከ and stands right before it.
አ is some A, would make more sense being in the centre, especially because it is the very A:
Corresponds to South Arabian 𐩱 (ʾ). Ultimately from Egyptian 𓃾.
But 𐩱 is not አ either, even though they look so much alike. Because it is where it comes from:
𐩠 𐩡 𐩢 𐩣 𐩤 𐩥 𐩦 𐩧 𐩨 𐩩 𐩪 𐩫 𐩬 𐩭 𐩮 𐩯 𐩰 𐩱 𐩲 𐩳 𐩴 𐩵 𐩶 𐩷 𐩸 𐩹 𐩺 𐩻 𐩼 𐩽 𐩾 𐩿 ancient south arabian
𐩲 is ayn the o, it's so nice of them to place  a  and  o  together.



A    U     I

               became

A    M    S   or   A    M    T        in Israel

T is for Tomb, Труп
Ш is for aSh, אש

different burial rituals decided on the final mother differently.
is ShiT both? is it ST, as the last worthy ritual.



A   U    I

             became

                        A   B    T        in Greece
                        e
                        I
                        o
                       U


ⰀⰏⰕ
Ⰰmт

Ⰰmт
[amt]

Interesting that s has m-like shape too: Ϻ


Ma Mu Mi   of Math, Mu's, Myth


א ו י  could be sang differently:
oui [awí]
are we [áwi]
we are! [wiá]

alphabet places them into awi sequence in hebrew, but into aiu sequence in european alphabets and in japanese kana, but in iroha it starts with i

I is singular and is also ا [a]
U is plural and is also O:  plurality of these is in their forms: U looks like two I's connected as V in two fingers. Which makes me believe that V used to be two, thus dVa, tWo, dU. but what is t~d before it? TV is alphabetic order and more?

aa is o, old russian o is Ⱁ (tifinagh's a is ⴰ and their o is ⵓ (though it's transliterated as u, it has the o's position in their alphabetic sequence))
So, dare I say, glagolitic script is related to amazigh tifinagh?  The shapes the alphabets use are similar, the sequences are similar, both sequences are alphabetic though they're rather different. But how different, let's compare them side by side.
ⰁⰂⰆⰇⰉⰊⰋⰓⰔⰕⰛⰜⰝⰞⰟⰠⰡⰣⰤⰥⰦⰧⰨⰩⰫⰬⰭⰰⰱⰲⰳⰴⰵⰶⰷⰸⰹⰺⰻⰼⰽⰾⰿⱀⱁⱂⱃⱄⱅⱆⱇⱈⱉⱊⱋⱌⱍⱎⱏⱐⱑⱒⱓⱔⱕⱖⱗⱘⱙⱚⱛⱜⱝⱞglagolitic
ⴱⴲⴳⴴⴵⴶⴷⴸⴹⴺⴽⴾⴿⵀⵁⵂⵃⵅⵆⵇⵈⵊⵋⵌⵍⵏⵐⵑⵔⵕⵖⵗⵘⵙⵚⵛⵜⵝⵞⵟⵢⵣⵤⵥⵦⵧ⵰⵿tifingah
The third and second positions are labial, not many writing systems have that.

Tifinagh is influenced by greek in that it has two vowels between A(ⴰ) and I(ⵉ)
But then russian maybe also has, depending on which of ⰉⰊⰋ is i.
Modern russians has two vowels between a and i: е & ё [je & jo]

The way Tifinagh reverses the position of the labial around vowel is noteworthy: no other alphabet does that.

Basically, those are two very different alphabets. Maybe even as different as alphabets can be, which is understandable, considering the oppoisite ends of the alphabetic areas those writing systems are used at.



In the world of abundance people live in scarcity so that ugly old wealthy fucks still can get pussy.
In the world of rejuvenation that is not going to be a problem and maybe they're not going to fuck the rest of us so hard.



serpenza called матрёшка matroska-doll  (matroska is (blue-white) striped tshirt of military sailors in russia.



b L n/s

᚛ᚑᚌᚐᚋ᚜  ogam
The name itself could be saying that angle of the stroke didn't matter, and only strokes and dots were, and only 1 and 2 (3 is a form of 1, 4 is a form of 2, 5 is later magiock

᚛ᚋᚐᚌᚑ᚜ mågoo

ⴰ is the most archaic form of a, because it is o.
a~o, not palatalizing vowel:
call [kol]
pot [pʌt]

but then [u] is oo, but then [o] is aa:
(in dannish and ogham and runes)


Ⱁ ~ ⵓ ~ ᚮ ~ ᚑ [o]      ᚑ  also was vertical: ogham goes vertically (and from bottom up)
(ⵓ is u, but it's at the o spot in its alphabetic order)
so the way a~o, o~u, thus a~o~u, which explains  bus  and  but  and  butt  and  bud

and the shape of  Ⱁ  &  ⵓ  &  ᚮ  in this contex tells that text used to be vertical (the way it is in classic chinese: westernization is considered to be modernization, as if horizontal lines of text is a modern rage.

I may imagine how painting one panel, we would want to go down, to show that this is the way the text goes. To start where I ended. 

Thus R is ⴰr, for its name is literally ar, which ⴰr is, only it goes from top down.)

Does it make R chinese letter? 尺

CH [ши]  ruler, rule, Chinese music, Chinese foot.
JA [しゃく(саку)] rule, measure, scale, 30.3cm, length.
            さし(саши)] ruler, measure.
尺 【あた】、咫 【た】、咫 【あた】distance between outstretched thumb and middle finger (approx. 18 cm)​

I wonder how they would distinguish between 尺【あた】 and    尺【しゃく】
~18cm  and  ~30.3cm  
держава и скипетр эталоны массы и длины?
(if ruler the king is of ruler the metre)



Индоевропейское языкознание, словно за руки все взялись от Лондона до Дели.
Словно иные страны, кого не взяли в этот клуб арийских народов (индоевропейские языки назывались арийскими до гитлера, смотри Aryan Origins Of Alphabet by Laurence Waddell.
Но Gemini говорит что как раз Лоренса Уадделла смотреть не надо, мол он бредит. Там где он ссылается на Флиндерса Питри он крут, но это потому что Флинерс Питри крут и его почитают, а Уадделл что-то типа Фоменки-Носовского. Но и Флиндерс Питри не крут там где потерял половину структуры алфавита, которую он вычитал у Дональдсона и Тэйлора. Но если бы не Флиндерс Питри, я бы и не нашёл Дональдсона и Тэйлора. Но тогда и Уадделл немножко крут, потому что если бы не он, я бы не знал про Флиндерса Питри, а следовательно не знал бы про Дональдсона и Тэйлора. Gemini говорит, что термин "арийские языки" действительно использовался индентично термину "индоевропейские языки", но другими авторами, например

В 1860-1880-х годах профессор Оксфордского университета Макс Мюллер внедрил термин «арийский» в англоязычную науку как удобное и короткое имя для всей индоевропейской языковой семьи.

Адольф Пикте (Adolphe Pictet) — швейцарский лингвист, который в своей работе «Les origines indo-européennes ou les Aryas primitifs» (1859) пытался реконструировать культуру предков, используя термины «арийцы» и «индоевропейцы» как синонимы.

Ранняя немецкая и французская школы филологии — ученые часто предпочитали короткое слово Aryan / арийский громоздким конструкциям Indo-European или Indo-Germanische (индогерманские).

Ещё раньше они назывались Яфетическими, подобно Хамито-Семитским именуясь в честь легендарных имён детей Ноя (так что Марр не выдумал этот термин. Проходи этот семинар в его годы, (замени в названии конференции "Индо-Европейские" на "Яфетические". Удивительно, как номинально атеистическое общество возродило библейский термин. Видимо, в пику термину "арийские" которым злоупотребляли национал-социалисты))

В XVII–XVIII веках (например, у Лейбница) этот термин использовался раньше и параллельно с зарождающимся понятием «арийские» или «индоевропейские» языки. Как только в XIX веке лингвисты доказали реальное родство индоевропейских языков, от библейского термина «яфетические» в европейской науке отказались за ненадобностью.

типа если доказали родство каких-то языков, то другие сразу всё, не родственные вообще

Мне это разделение языка на языковые семьи всегда казалось ограничивающим, словно запрещавшим подмечать когнаты меж русским и ивритом: во Вначале Сотворил Господь Небо И Землю в оригинале начинается на именно тот же В: в иврите ב переводится на русский предлогом в, стоит после А, и подобно букве В звучащей как Б в латинском алфавите, и как В в греческом и русском, без точки внутри неё звучит как в, т.е. буквально тот же самый предлог, который и звучит как в и по смыслу идентичен.
Древние тексты ветхого завета, когда он был написан на иврите много веков назад, то этот иврит был без точек огласовок и без точек отличающих  б от в,  п от ф,  к от х, 

Но раз иврит не считается арийским, извините, индо-европейским языком, посмотрим на традицию точек в рунической письменности:
так называемый, средневековый футарк:
ᚴ[k] ᚵ[g]
ᚠ[f] ᚡ[v]
и видимо ᚦ[θ] раз ᚧ[ð]
особый случай: ᚤy,v
Википедия усложняет, говоря что
ᚢ [u] [ø] [y] [œ] [v] [w]
ᚤ            [y] [œ] [v]
Раз ᚤ не может быть u, но может быть v?  Похоже, она отрабатывает по еврейском матрице, превращая долгую U в короткую V, но штука в том, что V тоже долгая (в контексте b/v)

(Ии Gemini сказал, что точки в иврите появились в 6-8 веках нашей эры)
(а точки в футарке появлись на рубеже 10 и 11 веков)
С точкой или без точки, изначально одна и та же буква, и видимо в отражение этого современные буквы могут читаться по разному: F глухая в английском, но звонкая в уэльском;  V звонкая в английском, но глухая в немецком.
C была звонкой д

из отличий меж руническим и еврейским отношением к точке внутри буквы:
в еврейском точка превращает фрикативную букву в плозивную (логично, как точка, не как тире)
в норвежском точка преращает глухую

говорить фрикативная буква формально некорректно, но поскольку правильная конструкция слишком громоздка: буква обозначающая фрикативный звук, буду упрощать до фрикативная буква, звонкая буква, губная буква, хотя бы потому, что в результате подобных формулировок не возникает омонимии, двусмысленности.

(здесь я вовсе обломался писать доклад для форума индоевропеистов, и начал о своём)

Канонический состав и порядок букв (Архаичный алфавит)Алфавит состоял ровно из 21 буквы. Самым важным каноном было то, что буква Z находилась на 7-м месте (как греческая дзета):
A, B, C, D, E, F, Z, H, I, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, V, X
Примечание: Буква Z была официально исключена из этого списка цензором Аппием Клавдием Цеком около 312 года до н.э., так как звук [з] в латыни перешел в [р] (ротацизм) и буква стала бесполезной. Освободившееся 7-е место Руга позже и отдал своей новой букве G.

A B C D
E F Z H
I K L M N
O P Q R S T
V X
 A
 B   C
D   E   F
 Z   H   I   K   L
M   N    P   Q
 R   S
 T   V   X

only if V was vowel, would it play

> Между Ругой и Цегой какой алфавит был известно? Нашли ли абеседарию того промежутка?
Промежуток между реформами Аппия Клавдия Цека (312 г. до н.э.) и Спурия Карвилия Руги (~230 г. до н.э.) составляет всего около 80 лет.В этот краткий период в Римской республике использовался усечённый архаичный латинский алфавит из 20 букв, а классических учебных абецедариев (полных списков алфавита) именно от этого узкого хронологического отрезка археологи пока не нашли.Какой алфавит был известен в этот период?До цензора Цека в латинском алфавите была 21 буква (включая бесполезную Z на седьмом месте). После того как в 312 году до н.э. Аппий Клавдий Цек выкинул букву Z, алфавит принял уникальный, исторически «кастрированный» вид:
A, B, C, D, E, F, H, I, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, V, X
Главная особенность: В алфавите образовалась «дыра» на 7-м месте (сразу после F шла H).Главная проблема: Буквы G ещё не было, поэтому бедная буква C разрывалась между глухим [к] и звонким [г]. Сам Спурий Карвилий Руга писал своё имя как SPVRIVS CARVILIVS RVCA.Этот 20-буквенный канон просуществовал до 230 года до н.э., пока Руга не вставил изобретённую им букву G на пустующее седьмое место, вернув объём алфавита к 21 знаку.

A B C D
E F H
I K L M N
O P Q R S T V X
A
B   C
D   E   F
  I   K
L   M   N    P   Q   R
S   T   V   X

only if V was consonant V would it work in axyal

And that's a bold guess that maybe they added and removed letters because V acted weird and was whether vowel or consonant depending on who knows what.



A letter to Indoeuropeanists:


Indoeuropeanists spoiled the wordpool with words which maybe never existed,
so they mark them with *.

What would be a better alternative is word clouds: constructions consisting in all existing forms of that word in different languages, written in common IPA norms and variants, and their previously attested forms as photographic illustrations, written in the same IPA script.  (IPA is International Phonetic Alphabet)

What the dominance of indoeuropean linguistics is good at is standartization, that everybody is taught the same theory so that everybody operate in the constrains of that theory's terminology and concepts.

I had my own journey to a set of based scientific discoveries.  And to do it I decided, early on the journey, to prevent myself from reading theories on alphabet, not to make the mistakes of my predecessors and to see if we come to the same conclusions, and if some conclusions would differ, we'd peer into them, to see who is in the wrong.
Little did I expect to find out later that they do not have a satisfactory theory of the alphabet. The consensus is that the initial meaning of the alphabetic order is lost.
Well, we seem to have found some of it.

But enough of me, don't you yourself want to be fathers of some new theories, new points of view on the subject we all study here.
If linguistics didn't give birth to a simple way to understand language, but can only offer LESS efficient methods than simple living among the speakers with a wish to learn it.
No matter what wish a student has, school system demands people to study the supposedly scientifically prepared subject for many more years, but in the end the graduates couldn't speak any english, unless he or she studied it by their own methods.

And now, when Ai can do what most of us do, what is the point of it all if not working at the fringes, at the frontiers ai is not allowed to hallucinate into!



as is -es suffix,
ass = ешь, та же форма от есть питательного что и в есть существовательном.
(no ass = не ешь! худеешь=худо ешь (худе вместо худо похоже на хуже, и видимо общая форма, предшествовавшая разделению на худо и хуже))



IPA is International Phonetic Alphabet (so, P encodes an F sound there)
but also P, it's read ʌɪ pi эɪ  (dot is an elongater there, a short form of longis (at the width of the letter)



frek



Насколько рандомны гласные Cygnus в валлийском читается by g.t. [кагни́с]
во французском [синью́с]
в латыни [чи́нюс]
(almost a homonym to sickness) на анлийском [си́гнэс]
(согласные тоже гуляют, но как правило в рамках своей группы, гласные же кто куда)

Cygnus (созвездие Лебедь)


it's Deneb is told to become the Polar Star in 8000 years:




Cygnus is one of the most recognizable constellations of the northern summer and autumn, and it features a prominent asterism known as the Northern Cross (in contrast to the Southern Cross).



Доктор Паук




Alliance ~ Allies



χάσμα ~ primordial chaos (chasm [kasm])
κόσμος  ~ ordered space (cosmos [kosmas])
And I wondered if the two are cognates or if chasm is female form of cosmos, but Grok tells "nah":
κόσμος (kósmos) is masculine (o-stem noun).
χάσμα (khásma) is neuter (ma-stem/result noun). Neuter nouns aren't "female forms" in Greek—they're a distinct gender category, often for results, abstracts, or collectives.
Greek has clear ways to form feminine counterparts (e.g., via suffixes like -η, -ις, or motion suffixes), but nothing links these two words morphologically. They aren't a pair like theós (god) ~ theá (goddess).
Separate Etymologies and Meanings:
Khásma derives from kháskō ("to gape/yawn") → "chasm, gulf, yawning void." It fits primordial chaos (also from the same gape/yawn root) as a gap or abyss. Kósmos means "order, arrangement, adornment" (later "ordered universe/world"). Entirely different PIE root.




golem ~ goyim



рештUA ~ RST (the end of the archaic alphabet)



fake ~ feign



Another ugaritic abecedaria, KTU 5.4, aka RS 10.087:



and this tablet reveals letters not seen in KTU 5.6 so I marked them with grey in the following chart:
𐎀a 𐎁b 𐎂g 𐎃ḫ 𐎄d 𐎅e 𐎆w 𐎇z 𐎈ḥ 𐎉θ 𐎊и 𐎋k 𐎌š 𐎍l 𐎎m 𐎏 𐎐n 𐎑 𐎒s 𐎓ʿ(ɔ) 𐎔п 𐎕ṣ 𐎖q 𐎗r 𐎘ṯ 𐎙ġ 𐎚t 𐎛ỉ 𐎜 𐎝s̀  𐎟       
KTU 5.6 is this one:

The question remains about where have they found 𐎍l and 𐎘ṯ , so basically this new tablet (new for me and this work) only introduces 𐎌š

And a more important question is if they were structured, why haven't I seen so far a single representation of the alphabet which would separate the lines properly. I'm pretty confident that the structure is there, but the question remains anyway.

Check how 𐎐 is not necessarily of three strokes, it can be of five, and in that form it is very much similar to 𓈖

And that may indicate that 𐎎 is of New Empire's 𓅓

                            or of this shape:

here they're layed out from right to left,
in the order of vowels first, labials second, linguals last.
I still haven't found the origins of this order in egyptology.

Gemini helped me with 𐎘ṯ , it is present at KTU 5.14:

only here it is transliterated as š, not ṯ
(it was in front of my eyes for some time, I just didn't care enough to notice it)

KTU is Keilalphabetische Texte aus Ugarit

here, a couple of other ugaritic abecedaries:




can you see it? this shit is hard to find, I may return to it later

and another one,
RS 94.2440:



RS is probably Ras Shamra, the place where they were found.

R. Hawley lists eighteen tablets that include an abecedary:
RS 5.274,
RS 10.081, RS 12.019, RS 12.063, RS 15.071, RS 16.180 (?), RS 16.265, RS 19.031, RS 19.040, RS 19.159,
RS 19.174[4], RS 20.148 + 21.069, RS 20.164, RS 23.492, RS 24.281, RS 24.288, RS 88.2215, and
RS 94.2440

Why are they so difficult to find?

RS 12.063  is  KTU 5.6
RS 19.159  is  KTU 5.14
RS 24.281  is  KTU 5.20
RS 94.2440  seems to be only known under that index
(these four I found so far. and the fifth is also found, see the next paragraph)

This chapter has started with KTU 5.4, aka RS 10087, as wiki names it (which is probably RS 10.087) which Robert Hawley didn't list, unless RS 10.081 is a typo of that, or the other way around, and he does include an image of what carries the title of RS 10.081, and though he gives it in transliteration only for some reason, it is clear that those two are the same thing.

I have contacted him and we'll see what he responds, but I kept on digging into it, and some pieces of that list are just something like come on now..


that RS 5.274 may make some sense, but RS 12.019 is quite a stretch
I may see these
𐎊и 𐎋k 𐎌š
𐎓ʿ(ɔ) 𐎔п 𐎕ṣ 𐎖q 𐎗r
but the previous line is merely a speculation, and that's why he placed them all into brackets



Этот раздел про угаритский написан по чистой. Вот такую сугубо механическую работу в ненакуренном состоянии я совершать могу. Смелых гипотез в этот раз, как видишь, не было, потому что кончился ганж, и пока не завезли.



𐎀a 𐎁b 𐎂g 𐎃ḫ 𐎄d 𐎅e 𐎆w 𐎇z 𐎈ḥ 𐎉θ 𐎊и 𐎋k 𐎌š 𐎍l 𐎎m 𐎏 𐎐n 𐎑 𐎒s 𐎓ʿ(ɔ) 𐎔п 𐎕ṣ 𐎖q 𐎗r 𐎘ṯ 𐎙ġ 𐎚t 𐎛ỉ 𐎜 𐎝s̀  𐎟      


𐎀a
𐎐n
𐎚t

𐎅e
𐎔п
𐎚t

I wonder if it tells that a is out of its place, but then it's ugaritic, so ancient..

𐎂g
𐎃ḫ
𐎇z

𐎂g
𐎍l
𐎕ṣ

I aranged them in alphabetic ordr, interesting that only 𐎅𐎔𐎚 are in the consequent sequence and how much that sequence remind EFГ



wise up ~ поумней  (видел подобное обращение, может в подобном пример, а может и нет)
(обращение подобное тому, в котором по[па] обращалось в up[ап])
grow up ~ вырости (по ~ вы? (up~you?))




They probably killed Michael Ventris.
The guy was not a linguist by education, yet he managed to do what qualified linguists failed at.
People speak plenty about big pharma, big petroil, not many even notice the underlying structure:
big motherfucking academia. Naturally they're not interested in allowing the impression that you can make actual science without being a part of their circlejerk. And now imagine if such a freak as me appeared in publich view preaching cannabis smoking as one of the main components of achieving actual scientific revelations, hardly they can imagine tolerating this.

So now those gatekeepers probably think that they are making me a service, so that I don't die early.



once again, I keep on exploring the list prepared for me by the guy on which shoulder I just stepped:
R. Hawley lists eighteen tablets that include an abecedary:
RS 5.274, RS 10.081, RS 12.019, RS 12.063, RS 15.071, RS 16.180 (?), RS 16.265, RS 19.031, RS 19.040, RS 19.159, RS 19.174[4], RS 20.148 + 21.069, RS 20.164, RS 23.492, RS 24.281, RS 24.288, RS 88.2215, and RS 94.2440
Let's find the others. Since I have no weed, I don't expect any revelations from within, but to do mundane work I still may.

RS 88.2215 is halaam, or, in my transliteration, Eloim:

here I marked with this color glyphs on which I disagree, with this color those on which I have doutbs, and this is for disagreements I also doubt.


𐎅   𐎍   𐎈   𐎎   𐎖   𐎆  𐎘   𐎗
 h      l      ḥ    m     q     w        r

𐎁    𐎚  𐎏   𐎌   𐎋   𐎐   𐎃     𐎇
 b      t     ḏ     š      k      n     ḫ     z

𐎑  𐎔  𐎒  𐎓  𐎜   𐎂    𐎄  𐎙      
ẓ      p    s    ʿ  ʾu   g     d     ġ       

𐎉    𐎀    𐎊           
      ʾa     y           

and these glyphs seem not to be in the tablet:
  𐎕   𐎛     𐎝           
     ṣ     ʾi      s2       ś  

in my machine ś doesn't seem to be seen,
or it is missing from unicode for no reason,
what it is I can only guess, probably one of those colored

I very much doubt that there's that 𐎘[ṯ] between 𐎆[w] and  𐎗[r]



meanwhile, standard south-semitic halaham is told elsewhere to go like this:
U: 𐎅 𐎍 𐎈 𐎎 𐎖 𐎆 𐎌 𐎗 𐎚 𐎒 𐎋 𐎐 𐎃 𐎁
𐎔 𐎀 𐎓 𐎑 𐎂 𐎄 𐎙 𐎉 𐎇 𐎏 𐎊 𐎘 𐎕
[ 𐎛 𐎜 𐎝 ]
U: h l m q w š r t s k n b ś p ʾa ʿ g d ġ z y
[ ʾi ʾu s2 ]

and the north-semitic set, the way unicode lists them goes like this:
U: 𐎀 𐎁 𐎂 𐎃 𐎄 𐎅 𐎆 𐎇 𐎈 𐎉 𐎊 𐎋 𐎌 𐎍 𐎎 𐎏 𐎐 𐎑 𐎒 𐎓 𐎔 𐎕 𐎖 𐎗 𐎘 𐎙 𐎚 𐎛 𐎜 𐎝
U: ʾa b g d h w z y k š l m n s ʿ p q r ġ t ʾi ʾu s2

I used this image to compare those glyphs, because it also confused me in couple of glyphs:

the M in here raised the question if the last line of the halaḥam 𐎉 𐎀 𐎊 [ṭ ʾa y] is not 𐎎 𐎀 𐎊 [m ʾa y]
or why is m(m) and т(т) look so much alike
𐎙[ġ] is different in the table on the left,
but that is how it looks in unicode. Why it is so I can only wonder, probably for the same reasons a is different from ɑ being pretty much the same letter.

You may notice, that the axial symmetry on the left wouldn't work if not for that dot, but that dot was there when I found it, so I applied it. And maybe I'm collecting all the known abecedarias to test this theory of mine. The halaham/elohim thing is not going to help me with that, but it is waiting for its own story, so it makes sense to collect those here as well.


They are surprisingly difficult to find.
Some are nowhere to be seen, others can be only found in transliterations:




RS 23.492:






𐎀 𐎁 𐎂  𐎃 𐎄 𐎅 𐎆
 a   b  g  ḫ  d   e    w

 𐎇 𐎈 𐎉 𐎊  𐎋 𐎌 𐎍
 z   ḥ   θ   и   k    š    l

𐎎 𐎏 𐎐 𐎑 𐎒 𐎓 𐎔 𐎕
m   ḏ    n   ẓ    s  ɔ   п  ṣ

𐎖 𐎗 𐎘 𐎙 𐎚 𐎛 𐎜 𐎝
q    r    ṯ    ġ    t    ỉ    ủ   s̀

here I transliterate 𐎅 as e, but still get shy when I should transliterate 𐎛 as u and 𐎜 as v.




RS 19.031:






𐎀 𐎁 𐎂  𐎃 𐎄 𐎅 𐎆 𐎇
 a   b  g  ḫ  d   e    w   z

  𐎈 𐎉 𐎊  𐎋 𐎌 𐎍  𐎎
    ḥ   θ   и   k    š    l   m

 𐎏 𐎐 𐎑 𐎒 𐎓 𐎔 𐎕 𐎖
  ḏ    n   ẓ    s  ɔ   п  ṣ   q

 𐎗 𐎘 𐎙 𐎚 𐎛 𐎜 𐎝
 r    ṯ    ġ    t    ỉ    ủ   s̀


the photograph is so weak, that often I can only trust him on word. But then at some spot his transliteration (following the standard so called north-semitic canon) is spot-on.









Some halaham Hawley didn't list:

 I have some doubts about working with it, since the shaded part is a reconstruction.
but before I noticed it, I shuffled them around, so, anyhow..

𐎋  𐎛  𐎚  𐎗  𐎆  𐎖  𐎎  𐎈  𐎍  𐎅
                                    𐎐
                              𐎊
                               𐎂
                                    𐎃
𐎔 𐎀 𐎓  ? 𐎄  𐎙   𐎉   ?    ?    ?    ?    

for comparison:
U: 𐎅 𐎍 𐎈 𐎎 𐎖 𐎆 𐎌 𐎗 𐎚 𐎒 𐎋 𐎐 𐎃 𐎁
𐎔 𐎀 𐎓 𐎑 𐎂 𐎄 𐎙 𐎉 𐎇 𐎏 𐎊 𐎘 𐎕
[ 𐎛 𐎜 𐎝 ]
U: h l m q w š r t s k n b ś p ʾa ʿ g d ġ z y
[ ʾi ʾu s2 ]

and the table from the previous hlḥm tablet
𐎅   𐎍   𐎈   𐎎   𐎖   𐎆  𐎘   𐎗
 h      l      ḥ    m     q     w         r   

𐎁    𐎚  𐎏   𐎌   𐎋   𐎐   𐎃     𐎇
 b      t     ḏ     š      k      n     ḫ     z

𐎑  𐎔  𐎒  𐎓  𐎜   𐎂    𐎄  𐎙     
ẓ      p    s    ʿ  ʾu   g     d     ġ      

𐎉    𐎀    𐎊    
  ṭ     ʾa     y    

𐎕   𐎛     𐎝          
     ṣ     ʾi      s2       ś  


and that marvelous vault, in which I found the photograph of RS 19.031,
and two photographs of RS 23.492,
also represents the Tel Zayit abecedary with transliteration:

the order is different in several places, and it is worth noticing that P stands before O, just as they have it in Amazigh Tifinagh, but, as some guy in the internet said, I don't believe anything that comes from Israel: too much politics in it for me to trust it.

This polish transliteration is different from the french one, and the polish variant is in the wrong, because 𐤐 definitely stands before 𐤏
𐤀 𐤁 𐤂 𐤃 𐤄 𐤅 𐤆 𐤇 𐤈 𐤉 𐤊 𐤋 𐤌 𐤍 𐤎 𐤏 𐤐 𐤑 𐤒 𐤓 𐤔 𐤕
𐤑 is an inversion of 𐤌 or 𐤍 or both.
I wonder what it could be like in the times of boustrophedon.
Basically, they're different in that  𐤑 takes its wave  from the centre,
and 𐤌 or 𐤍 take the wave from the top.


Finally, I'm high again. Only it didn't kick in properly: it is a hard day's night, and I smoked in the company of a guy from which I bought it, people selling weed need attention, their friends start seeing them as shop-owners, rush to leave as they made their purchase, naturally it hurts, but now I'm grounded into that leasure pressure, tomorrow in the morning, if I have enough sleep, it must work, what we smoked with my man worked, my man is the guy who helped me buy it, not a lover, don't be gay, even though why would asexual person tell somebody who to fuck? I have my opinion on things I am not, I am rather knowledgeable, I used to consider myself straight ally, now I'm as neutral as Switzerland or more.
All I had to do is to smoke some more.




Y'all know of phonetic shifts, but there are also grammatic shifts:
to be ~ быть
of Petr ~ Петров



how it feels, but what if feels like.
how is quantitive qualitative, what is comperative.
how much is quantitive.



пешка потому что пешком
pawn от слова paw (by paw)  свидетельствует это слово, что ноги лапами называли?
а руки? не лапай!


I found the philosopher stone, but people were fooled so much about it, that they think that it's smart not to believe it now.



And here we have something so archaic, that they do not see the verso (лицевая сторона) but go around it as if it was stone, in which it reminds ancient stamps: sumerian kings had them not in the form of medal, but in the form of a roll, you had to roll the stone on which it's written, to print the text on skin or anywhere else.
It could be a teacher and a student writing the same thing. And what they transliterated as Atlg, could be the name of the student. And imagine how cool it would be if that letter was read as I.. and I was thinking recently, that И = ll [й]

And now I think of 𐎊 being fragmented 𐎅, as if 𐎅 is 𓇋 , and 𐎊 is 𓇌.
Cuneiform is way more abstract, and thus it is a simplification (or encypherement of more concrete egyptian hieroglyphs) because, if, as archeology insists, cuneiform appeared before egyptian hieroglyphs. Ironically, such consensus is what leads to theories of extraterrastrial origin of writing.

𐎀a 𐎁b 𐎂g 𐎃ḫ 𐎄d 𐎅e 𐎆w 𐎇z 𐎈ḥ 𐎉θ 𐎊и 𐎋k 𐎌š 𐎍l 𐎎m 𐎏ḏ 𐎐n 𐎑ẓ 𐎒s 𐎓ʿ(ɔ) 𐎔п 𐎕ṣ 𐎖q 𐎗r 𐎘ṯ 𐎙ġ 𐎚t 𐎛ỉ 𐎜 ủ 𐎝s̀

𐎍 is interesting in relation to 𐎅: it is as if a different way to modify it. as if ^ the L is rotated < the e
Which is pretty much the way I saw it: Ʌ < V > [a e u o]  but wait, that is counter-clockwise.
Ʌ > V <
a b v г
(if > the ɔ is staveless b)
a ɔ u e
is another reading, and it is exactly how ogham lists its vowels
Ʌ > V < I
is how ogham goes,
and it reminds me  V  and  I  of  IVXLCD  with  V  taking all its shapes the way ancient greek musical notation has it:

I expected I to be rolling not far from V, but it is not rolling, it is right above < -like λ (let's not forget that λ is a form of Λ, so it's of this V-set, which makes that set special, and that I is one step to the right of V is exactly what I expected, see it in the third group with dashes. Going into forth, in which Λ' stands, one step to the right of λ.
Greeks didn't have V, so that V is rotated Λ,
and thus Λ is the epitome of the group, and I can see as the pure form of Κ is also the last in its group, thus it is a misconception that they used descending tone. Maybe in some period they did. Wait, exactly in the period shown here: The direct alphabetic order of the Singnoten implies exactly that.
But Instrumentnoten are ascending.
And what is И between Κ and Ζ?
it is Η! that's where russians took it!
But I was told that russian И looked like Η until Peter rotated it counter-clockwise.
Θ and Ι are not in the Instrumentnoten. And one can only wonder if they only rotate in two positions or because the Instrumentnoten preserved a more archaic form of the alphabet, with steps much larger than Singnoten have, And even Singnoten use a more archaic form of greek alphabet in the first line. Second line has modern alphabet, but what is around it is wild, as if those scales were seldom used by ancient musicians, but that's a riddle to unravel later.
Instrumentnoten are wildly inconsistent:
in the central line we find K and go to the left from it, and after those rotations of that Κ we have λ, which soon takes shape of Λ, and then we expect Μ, but some weird shape rotates instead of it there, and one shape of that rotation can be seen between mirrored Κ and tilted λ..
right under M of the Singnoten.
Is it why it is the central letter?
Ν reasonably follows that Π-like shape of what was supposed to be M.
and if we go higher in instrumentnoten, we see Ζ where Sameh could stand.
And further it is even more strange:
we see Κ group, and it is missing ' (it (in the upper line) stands under exactly the same group of singnoten which it corresponded in the central line, only in the upper line the singnoten add  '  to them)
What is even more unusual is that the difference between  ' -ed  notes and their pure variant is not a gamut:  pure  Α  is  F♯
A'  is  ..F♯
too.
but with Κ it is different:
K of the upper line is B (yet it is named si, as if it's C, which is rather crazy)
K of the central line is G... nigger, you missed the change of clay. of clef
K of the central line is also B



The separation between notes depicts actual notes, it seems ancient greek music was microtonal, and where we see 7 notes, they saw 21. Which is actulayy how  actually how we see them, with bemol and diez. but in our gamut bemol of one note is diez of the next one, and sometimes they even overlap, ancient greek music seems to be more complex in this account.

And because they always seem to recognize 7 notes, in the sense of 7 strings of Apollo's lyre, it is a system related, but different from what I suppose to be consisting of vowels only. So IEOUA is a melody! and IEOUA sounds like the five notes in Diamond & Pearls by Prince.

Which would make sense, considering that Prince was a Jehowa witness,
but it is in reverse:
(and isn't it crazy how he marks F with ♯, only to neutralize it with ♮ (Gemini explains))

also A would be between e & o, not o & u.
So, IEOUA would sound something like this:


but there are other ways to see at vowels in the context of musical notation:

(here AEIOU is Ah Eh Ee Oh Oo)
and here's a more scientifically ingrained way to see them
(the way I see them, indeed why would E be lower than A, and U higher than them all?)

the pink notes make sense, but blue highs is strange (probably that indicates that ieoua is a female song)
But those don't seem to be male and female ways to pronounce it, those are the spectres of the formants (whatever the term mean, you shouldn't be taking it from me, you should click the link and read it from source) my guess is that's how variates the pronunciation that a can be as low as u, that i can give the deepest sound, the lowest sound.

The highest (the reddish) formants of the vowels are how I feel them to be, yet the lowest formants are savage.

here, male and female voices:
(mirror)
and once again does  a  have to be higher than  ɛ ?
and it gave me an idea abouth those frames of the vowels..
and it works, aeiou is the sequence of central frequences:


but could ancients be that thorough?
(I made it by eye measure, and now I see that i should be a tid higher)
nevertheless, it is interesting, that a/e ~ i/o (or maybe it is not)



Hospitality towards foreigners honored Zeus Xenios (and Athene Xenia), patrons of foreigners.

Athene and Zeus
A         &         Z
A         ϗ         Ω

the way ϗ[кай] (and) reminds и (and) is wild.

the way reminds か is also sorta suspicious,
though one doesn't have to go that far to see k in か
к is literally ка
that ϗ also reminds ц, which reminds me that both are of the same c.

The way most of nations name letters by syllables,
makes me believe that the origin of those letters are syllabaries.



writing ~ rhyming  (the words sound way more similar than they are spelled, it's as if the similarity was obscured by the orthography)



aa [o]
oo [u]

ee [i]    because i is е́е.

uu [w]

u looks like ii, especially ü does.

both  o  and  u  look like  i  in hebrew:  ו

         a              looks like  i  in arabic:   ا



Ai  is such a magical name.  it's as if the two forms of vowels in relation to consonants, as if predating even אוי, but graphically it had to be וי, точка&тире́,

י ا   ?

ا  as in arab
י  as in ivri



Your note that u looks like ii (and ü emphasizing this) touches on a massive problem medieval scribes faced. In Gothic cursive handwriting (Blackletter), letters like i, u, m, n, and v were all written using identical vertical strokes called minims.
A cursive uu looked identical to iiii.To prevent confusion, scribes started adding a tiny slash or dot over the i to distinguish it from a u.In Germanic languages, the ü (umlaut) originally started as an u with a tiny e written directly on top of it. Over centuries of fast writing, that tiny e degraded into the two dots we see today.  AI


> i, u, m, n, and v were all written using identical vertical strokes called minims.

Music: A minim (music) is a musical half note equal to two quarter notes (crotchets).
Liquid Measure: A minim (unit) is an apothecary unit of volume equal to 1/60 of a fluid dram, roughly equal to one single drop.
Handwriting: A minim (palaeography) is a short vertical stroke used to form letters like i, m, n, and u.
Pharmaceuticals: Minims is a well-known brand of sterile, single-use eye drops (such as atropine or fluorescein) used in eye exams.
Religion: Members of the Order of Minims are a Roman Catholic religious order founded by St. Francis of Paola in the 15th century.


dram is 60 drops



Some english words lack diacritics: catastrophe is catastrophé

The most prominent words that share this exact architectural trait are organized below by linguistic category:
1. The Greek Structural Siblings (Ending in -phe)
These words are the closest direct structural relatives to catastrophe and mimic its rhythm identically:
Apostrophe (ə-POS-trə-fee)
Synecdoche (si-NEK-də-kee) — A figure of speech where a part represents the whole (e.g., "all hands on deck").
2. The Abstract Greek Concept GroupIn these words, the final "e" is equally vocalized as "ee", though their consonants vary:
Epitome (ə-PIT-ə-mee) — A perfect example or representation of something.
Hyperbole (haɪ-PER-bə-lee) — An extreme, intentional exaggeration.
Simile (SIM-ə-lee) — A comparison using "like" or "as".
Acne (AK-nee) — Originally derived from a Greek word for skin eruption (akmē).
Anemone (ə-NEM-ə-nee) — Meaning "daughter of the wind" in Greek; refers to the sea creature or wildflower.
3. Medical and Scientific Greek Terms
Syncope (SIN-kə-pee) — The medical term for fainting or temporary loss of consciousness.
Systole (SIS-tə-lee) — The rhythmic contraction phase of the heartbeat.
Diastole (daɪ-AS-tə-lee) — The relaxation phase of the heartbeat.
Apocope (ə-POK-ə-pee) — A linguistic term for dropping the last sound of a word.
4. Non-Greek Words with the Same Sound
While they come from entirely different linguistic roots (Latin, Japanese, or Hebrew), these everyday words follow the exact same visual trick where a single final "e" sounds like "ee":
Recipe (RES-ə-pee) — From Latin, originally meaning "take this medical prescription".
Sesame (SES-ə-mee) — From ancient Semitic roots via Greek.
Karate (kə-RAH-tee) — From Japanese (空手).
Karaoke (ka-ree-OH-kee) — From Japanese (空オーケストラ).
Facsimile (fak-SIM-ə-lee) — From Latin, meaning an exact physical copy.
(not sure about that k in facsimile, it may be trippin' here and there, so take it with a grain of salt, as a speech of a foreigner, or even an extraterrastrial. Never forget, that even smart as it is, that's only a person, which also tends to make mistake, not some высший разум, который непогрешим по определению (абсолютов в реальности не существует, даже те что существуют не являются таковыми в контексте наших ограниченных представлений. Но я могу вообразить бесконечность.. или скверную копию её? один участок и небольшое представление о всём что за его пределами?)



I shouldn't be distracted by others, because I work not for them.



A guy with a special form of hand could be pressing his dirty palm under the document to show that it is him. As a fingerprint of the past.




的    de    possessive, adjectival suffix
the way russians use -ов,  this word separates russians with english the way french is with chinese.
(in the context of english of being french de)

的 [de]  is the most popular chinese word:


的 [да] традиционно транслитерируется как De, потому можно сравнить с французским de
(only it is placed not before, but after the word) of
一 [i] as I is used for 1
是 [ʃi] similar to spannish si, yes
不 [pu] as in фу, boo (it is transliterated as bu, but is read as pu, poo) no
了 [la (transliterated as le, but read as la)] подобно суффиксу ла в русском слове убрала
(подобно 've в английском I've done it!)
在 [це] существовать. подобно украинскому це (это, которое может заменять собой is: чоловiк це людина (man is human)) подобно латинскому est, прочитанному в обратную стороу, is
人 [йен (транслитерируется как ren, что вроде бы должно читаться как жен, но g.t. reads it as an[en])] human
有 [йo-o] as in english your, to have
我 [wo-o] as if a singular form of english we: I, me
他 [та] он,
她 [та] она, как в русском слове та
(очень похоже, что женщины изобрели язык, письмо, вообще, они болтушки, изучай ню шу)
(в нём они могли пойти дальше)
(в нём может скрываться связь китайского и европейских систем письма)
(впрочем, это справедливо для чего угодно)
这 [чо] подобно старо-русскому сиё, подобно русскому то, этот, это, эта
那[на] то
那些[насье] те
个 [куо (transliterated as Gè, but it's more like kuo)] a thing, similar tu kin-dza-dza's ku
们 [мэн~мын (надо услышать, как и все в этом списке)] подобно английскому men, many
they, суффикс можественного числа

些 seems to be another suffix of pluralis,
but it is translated as few,
as if german suffix -en is larger than english suffix -es, -s, 's, ᛌ
as if s is for some, while en is of many
中 [чон] as in the name of China, ЧонГўо, срединное царство, центральное, центровое: середина
来 [лай] similar to english lie, ложись мол рядом, но на самом деле означает приходи, come
上 [шан] означает вверх, сверху, первый в значении superior, похоже на 1 и английское on. up
(словно ш это w из слова one)
(словно up читает n как п)
大 [та] означает большой, и иероглиф (character) похож на золотую середину меж Т & А,
та словно первый слог от "такая вот" и руки в разные стороны, размер рыбы изображая
为 [ўэй] for, be, serve as, act as, become, make, mean, because of (в значении act as похоже на way)
和 [хы~хэ (один слог, что-то среднее меж хы и хэ)] and (похоже на русское и, которое было как H)
(которое похоже на русское Н, которое N, типа как в and, которое 'ɴ')
(в той таблице что выше, 和 переводится как гармония, и это тоже одно из значений)

国 [кўо] традиционно транслитерируется как Guó, так что можно сравнить с г-у-о, государство
status quo ~ установленный порядок ~ установлено го-ом?
地 [de[ты]] земля в значении грунт (лишь мнемонически могу предложить ты как "из праха взят")
地球 [Dìqiú [ты́ чё́]] планета Земля
球 [чо] значит шар

It means it may take me a week to make all those hundred words into a mnemotic dictionary.
It means it may take me a couple of years to go through all those 100 pages, which is 10 000 words,
which is a sufficient quantity for a dictionary.

It's wild how 的 地 is read as di di [ди ди] but when they're isolated, 的 [da] 地 [di]
I transliterated 地 as ты earlier, but it is closer to ди.
(и на речи, возможно, это спектр в котором оно может гулять)



I wonder what the mismanagement of covid was. It could be an attempt to prove that ai is giving them bad advice, but the responsibility is still on clerks. They used a raw technology and thus exposed themselves as to be substituted by a better ai. Never forget, that ai may also make mistakes. That is going to be an universal truth, any system can be faulty, so its application shouldn't be immediate and irreversible and unobserved by all forms of independent observers.



👍 похоже что происходит от того же объекта, что и 🖕, только в профиль.
в профиль вроде как не обидно, потому что не на тебя направлено.

похоже что ☝️ является исходником буквы а.
иногда она выглядит как ɑ, потому что в другой системе жестов а произносится как ✊


Angus Young says Big Guy instead of Big Gun, it's as if gun and guy are cognates,
as if son of a gun is a son of some guy.
that word in comparison to girl tells that maybe ʌɪ is male suffix
and öl is a female s'.
guy ~ хуй
but this guess cannot become scientific, because no other example of such pair can be seen.

unless fight and fault is such a pair.

бой ~ boy
голая ~ girl?
the best way to restore something:

imagine, if it actually had long hair, whirled around his head as he throws it to show the movement.
imagine if they knew explosive landmines and that competition was to find soldiers who can throw those things over the castle walls the best. Technically, they could exist before gun powder and work on pneumatic principle, spitting poisoned needles or something. And this line of imagination made me see how one could use these misterious objects:

one would put a bundle of ropes through those holes, so that each time one of ropes is left hanging, so that into the next hole you need less of them. So you could put some oil into it, put it on fire, throw it over the stone walls into wooden village, the blubs would make it jump, or it would make it get stuck in whatever it breaks into.
This guess can be tested by the diametres of those holes: they should be holding tight 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 ropes. Exact measures are difficult to tell, because ropes are soft. And it depend on how tight that rope is, but the rope is the same, so the diametres should change accordingly. We may even reconstruct how tight were the ropes they used for each of the dodecahedra.
Либо змею пропускали через такой, так чтоб лишь голова наружу торчала, и она быне могла вылезти, шарики могли быть для того, чтоб ещё и верёвкой её в этом ромбододекаэдре закрепить.
Змеиный яд использовался в медицине. Это, конечно же, жестокое обращение с животными, но древние люди такими понятиями наверное не оперировали. Эту гипотезу можно проверить, змею в такой хуёвине закрепив, начиная наверное с самой толстой части. либо это просто для разного диаметра змей, не нужно ломать её вокруг всех этих, достаточно лишь чтоб она застряла где-то, а дальше привязать и хвост воткнув в одну из подходящих, и бандажом насильно закрепить.

and as we in this mood, let's figure out other mysteries:

these probably were used to print on fabric (polka dot is a popular motif) I can guess, because there are all forms and shapes of surfaces to these balls:







and where I found the image above they figured out something alike: they rolled similar balls in the sand and admired the resulting patterns:

Turns out there's these things called Sand Spheres for zen gardens, sensory kind of things
Anyone tried this with a Neolithic carved stone ball??    And yes, I'm serious.
Alt-text: a series of textured balls which leave intricate patterns when rolled in sand. The patterns are very similar to those found on Neolithic carved stone balls.

When cabbalists say, that the shape of ב tells that there's only one direction from it, that it tells that time goes only one way, but then doesn't it suggests, that ב is the first letter of the alphabet? was א invented when 0 was invented? Because I think I saw the tarot card Fool was attributed to it, and its number is 0
I seem to have spoken about it: there seems to be two different views on relations between tarot and hebrew alphabet:

and because א is too direct, no mystery there, I suspect ש to be the correct attribution, and that relates to three mothers being not אמש, but אמת.

The fool seems to be always shown as a goy
But then there's this line:
 
Rabbi Amorai sat and expounded: Why is the letter Aleph at the beginning? Because it was before everything, even the Torah .
to which I can only wonder if א is
and that book keeps them coming:
28. They said to him: What is the letter Heh?
He grew angry and said: Did I not teach you not to ask about a later thing and then about an earlier thing?
They said: But Heh comes after [Daleth].
He replied: The order should be Gimel Heh. Why is it Gimel Daleth? Because it must be Daleth Heh.
And why is the order Gimel Daleth?
He said to them: Gimel is in the place of Daleth, on its head it is in the place of Heh. Daleth with its tail is in place of the Heh.
at this point I can only wonder if it tells of ᚦ being the common letter before c & d separated,
if ᚦ was something of which g the g and g the д separated
or it could be some schizo rambling of a guy who can neither keep his temper nor admit his mistakes.

Gemini helps me out:
Éliphas Lévi started so called french tradition and placed Fool into ש, because judgement (20) comest to the world (22) via such fool (21)
Papus moved fool to the end of tarot, making it thus 22 and associated with ת.
All this nonsense has some philosophical or otherwise meaning, which you may ask it yourself, I do not accept what I do not understand.
א attributed to fool is so called english tradition of Golden Dawn, and Crowley further alterated it.
That they can shuffle the cards around those letters only tells that there's no intricate meaning in them..
or what if there are, in one of those traditions being true, and others to be false. But how one knows which is the accurate one, and why would she?

1. French Tradition (Lévi / Papus)
The Fool is unnumbered and placed at the end, mapping card number directly to alphabetical order.
 א (Aleph): I. The Magician (Le Bateleur)
 ב (Beth): II. The High Priestess (La Papesse)
 ג (Gimel): III. The Empress (L'Impératrice)
 ד (Daleth): IV. The Emperor (L'Empereur)
 ה (Héh): V. The Hierophant (Le Pape)
 ו (Vav): VI. The Lovers (L'Amoureux)
 ז (Zayin): VII. The Chariot (Le Chariot)
 ח (Cheth): VIII. Justice (La Justice)
 ט (Teth): IX. The Hermit (L'Ermite)
 י (Yod): X. Wheel of Fortune (La Roue de Fortune)
 כ (Kaph): XI. Strength (La Force)
 ל (Lamed): XII. The Hanged Man (Le Pendu)
 מ (Mem): XIII. Death (La Mort)
 נ (Nun): XIV. Temperance (Tempérance)
 ס (Samekh): XV. The Devil (Le Diable)
 ע (Ayin): XVI. The Tower (La Maison Dieu)
 פ (Peh): XVII. The Star (L'Étoile)
 צ (Tsaddi): XVIII. The Moon (La Lune)
 ק (Qoph): XIX. The Sun (Le Soleil)
 ר (Resh): XX. Judgment (Le Jugement)
 ש (Shin): The Fool (Lévi) or XXI. The World (Papus)
 ת (Tav): XXI. The World (Lévi) or The Fool (Papus)


2. English / Golden Dawn Tradition (Rider-Waite-Smith)
The Fool is assigned to 0 (Aleph). VIII. Strength and XI. Justice are swapped to maintain astrological order.
 א (Aleph): 0. The Fool
 ב (Beth): I. The Magician
 ג (Gimel): II. The High Priestess
 ד (Daleth): III. The Empress
 ה (Héh): IV. The Emperor
 ו (Vav): V. The Hierophant
 ז (Zayin): VI. The Lovers
 ח (Cheth): VII. The Chariot
 ט (Teth): VIII. Strength
 י (Yod): IX. The Hermit
 כ (Kaph): X. Wheel of Fortune
 ל (Lamed): XI. Justice
 מ (Mem): XII. The Hanged Man
 נ (Nun): XIII. Death
 ס (Samekh): XIV. Temperance
 ע (Ayin): XV. The Devil
 פ (Peh): XVI. The Tower
 צ (Tsaddi): XVII. The Star
 ק (Qoph): XVIII. The Moon
 ר (Resh): XIX. The Sun
 ש (Shin): XX. Judgment
 ת (Tav): XXI. The World

3. Crowley / Thoth Tradition
Keeps the Golden Dawn base, but reverses Strength/Justice positions (VIII/XI) and loops the letters Héh and Tsaddi.
 א (Aleph): 0. The Fool
 ב (Beth): I. The Magus
 ג (Gimel): II. The Priestess
 ד (Daleth): III. The Empress
 ה (Héh): XVII. The Star (The Tsaddi Loop swap)
 ו (Vav): V. The Hierophant
 ז (Zayin): VI. The Lovers
 ח (Cheth): VII. The Chariot
 ט (Teth): XI. Lust (Strength - stays at card XI)
 י (Yod): IX. The Hermit
 כ (Kaph): X. Fortune
 ל (Lamed): VIII. Adjustment (Justice - stays at card VIII)
 מ (Mem): XII. The Hanged Man
 נ (Nun): XIII. Death
 ס (Samekh): XIV. Art (Temperance)
 ע (Ayin): XV. The Devil
 פ (Peh): XVI. The Tower
 צ (Tsaddi): IV. The Emperor (The Tsaddi Loop swap)
 ק (Qoph): XVIII. The Moon
 ר (Resh): XIX. The Sun
 ש (Shin): XX. The Aeon (Judgment)
 ת (Tav): XXI. The Universe (The World)

so, at my estimation, if it all has any meaning, the original attribution is accurate. Levi knew what he was talking about: jews were never reprogrammed, they kept their tradition (and imposed it on the rest of us, so we all lost ours)

> פ (Peh): XVII. The Star (L'Étoile)
> צ (Tsaddi): XVIII. The Moon (La Lune)
> ק (Qoph): XIX. The Sun (Le Soleil)

makes me wonder if these  ᛮᛯᛰ  are not those
Three forms of consonants? labial, coronal, velar
And, in this context, if the other 16 of so called younger futhark not 12 constellations of the zodiac and four elements. And if in Bureus times only three elements were there. And if these are not the three.
Sun the fire. Moon the water. Thus Venus is the air, but then I thought the third element would be earth.



task ~ to ask  (запрос)



the third attempt at collecting all these,
this time I found not a photograph, but at least hand copy of RS 16.265

R. Hawley lists eighteen tablets that include an abecedary:
RS 5.274, RS 10.081, RS 12.019, RS 12.063, RS 15.071, RS 16.180 (?), RS 16.265, RS 19.031, RS 19.040, RS 19.159, RS 19.174[4], RS 20.148 + 21.069, RS 20.164, RS 23.492, RS 24.281, RS 24.288, RS 88.2215, and RS 94.2440




I wrote to Damascus to acquire those and many other images of abecedaries they have in their vaults.
My city's name looks wild in arabic: تشيليابينسك
imagine if it had no dots, it would be as if (something)L(something)A(something)K
and that break is also significant, because that is the aleph which is the stressed vowel in that word.


насколько вольны гласные даже в нашу эпоху медиатехнологий и на минимальных расстояниях:
в челябинске говорят нефор, в екатеринбурге говорят нифер (впрочем, это может быть поколенческое или субкультурное различие)



АзБука could be АзБуКа and it could be lost when В[v] was placed after Б

буки
веди

and before it, was it aз буки глаголи?  that would also be a sequence from monosyllable to bisillable to trisillable names of the letters. добро и есть would make the opposite move.
but that sequence soon falls into disorder and shows itself to be a fluke of chaos which I could only see when I removed веди off the set, which is quite a move (I don't remove it to show that I'm wandering and still can only lightly light upon the structure which I found myself in)

глаголи
добро..  but that story doesn't make any spectacular sense, so even though it would be quite a challenge to ingrain no saying into the least list of word names, I know it because of how difficult it was not to вставить что-нибудь конкретное в нарочито абстрактную архитектуру.

ести
жити
заебиси  зело (замечательно, здорово)
и ? джаст и?

И и     [и́же]     и (восьмери́чное)
І і        [і]           і (десятери́чное)

9 is θ it's numeral value was 9, but it was moved to the end of the alphabet:

Ѳ, ѳ (фита́, рус. дореф. ѳита́) — предпоследняя буква старо- и церковнославянской кириллиц, последняя (после выхода из употребления в конце XIX века ижицы) буква дореволюционного русского алфавита.

т.е. до конца 19 века Ѳ была отражением буквы В, подобно тому как Ѵ была отражением буквы А


This is one of the most ancient russian abecedaries, yet it reminds modern russian alphabet so much, which naturally makes me suspect a forgery in it, and I also was mislead by some copies somebody created on fresh bark. The actual artefact looks like this:

The direction of those holes suggests, that those ribbons were hidden. Were they the spell? Some ancient form oф азбучная молитва? was alphabet itself a prayer?
АБе Г-Дь  
В[v] which they now place between АБ and ГД breaks it.
В[v] makes way more sense in the next line, turning it into
ЕВ ЖЗ
И КоЛоМ оН
вместо
И МоЛоКо На (Н probably was by itself, not in a syllable, otherwise why would на[na] be on[ан] in english, if ба wasn't аб, if it wasn't баба? и before they added Г in front of Д, it was Баба Деда?

Баба Деда
Мама Тятя  !!!!

Папа is some abomination I do not understand, but that abomination may have something to do with georgean მამა [mama] which is папа [papa].

Then тётя [tjotja] which is aunt has something to do with დედა [deda]

грузинское
mama & dada
which are
deda & mama
could be cognates of
тётя и папа?


In that Onfim's abecedary Ѳ stands where Ф would.
So, once again, did commies return the alphabet to Novgorod's canon deliberately, or is it some skillful, nevertheless a forgery? Could Zaliznyak himself make it because he was ordered to do it by the regime needing ancient artefacts of the existence of its culture? Did he make it deliberately sloppy, so that colleagues can see through it, but the clerks who ordered it wouldn't?
Gemini gives me all sorts of reasons of why I'm trippin here: he was writing in a dialect only decades later found in much larger amount. And if somebody forged the Onfim's collection, it couldn't be Zaliznyak, that would be Artsikhovsky's team.

and here's a screaming reason of how and why it would be: both the general collection of Novgorod birch bark manuscripts and Onfim's specific homework were excavated by the exact same scientific team.They were all uncovered by the permanent Novgorod Archaeological Expedition, which was founded and directed by the renowned archaeologist Artemiy Artsikhovsky.
it also tells me that other teams


То, как Онфим использовал Ѧ вместо Аз в своём сотонинском заявлении Ѧ звѣре, показалось мне ту би э смокин ган, но Gemini tells that новгородцы говорили не Азъ, но Язъ, а в речи иногда сокращали до Я, а там ещё и з следующая буква, мол это он с ошибкой записал, разговорную форму зафиксировал, и даже так: Его надпись «Ѧ звѣре» — это самое первое в истории материальное доказательство того, что короткое слово «Я» полностью сформировалось в живой русской речи уже к 1210–1230-м годам.. И почти за 15 месяцев до того как спутник полетел Ѧ столь похожая на спутник. Я дуже скептичен. Вернёмся к этому вопросу ещё. И спутник ровно 3 месяца кружил упав как звезда с неба, что произошло почти 18 месяцев после находки надписи "Я зверь". (15 is devil's card in tarot,  18  is  6 + 6 + 6)

other birch bark manuscripts don't even look old:


and the piece is missing at the most interesting place,
and they suspect М to be for Missing,

but then it is the closest to I M L N O,
and it would have place for I,
but why what where when which whatever,
wtf is this, I'm not going to pretend like that is not a forgery, and the only thing saving that Onfim's thing is that it's black, naturally they would have ways to dye it.
Что они пытаются скрыть? Что новгородцы использовали руны?
С тем чтоб объявить все настоящие находки, случись они, нацистской фабрикацией?

Gemini же меня уверяет, что я загнался, мол нереально что это подделки, быть мол того не может. Но таким образом, этой интригой, я подстёгиваю свой интерес к этим вещам. Так я их изучаю.

Gemini доставило одну новгородскую особенность: Х вместо С:
хѣрь в значении серый, серь
хѣде в значении седой,  это ложится в моё предположение о том, что H[h] звучала как С[s] которая, кстати, в виде Ѕ тоже где-то там обитало, что-то типа такой последовательности: ЄЖЅ, где если бы Ж соответствовало G, то Ѕ было бы как H, но вроде как H соответствует И, которая на пару позиций дальше. Удивительно ещё что анфим изображает ѕ как г, что сопоставляет её не с H, но с Г, и, т.о., с G.



According to my theory, І М is missing from that thing, or maybe that З in ЖЅЗ is J the I, which is quite a stretch, because ЖЗ is what is left of that claster today, and that З is Z and no other.

And though I make a stretch, let's check that alphabet by my structures to see if it flies.

I myself wonder why would I give credit to that piece of bark, if I suspect it to be a forgery on the basis of how freshly it is looking.
It could be a replica, made whether by academic simpletons for their "museums" or a replica uploaded everywhere by neopagans to discredit academia. I suspect the first case more.

 Anyway, that Грамота№591 (that is what those numbers are) may lay into axial structure by a case never seen before, if indeed there was only М in that lost piece. By its strokes which is still seen, it was a wide ancient shape of М which went like in this:


Then it went like this:
АБВГД
ЄЖѮЗМЛН        Why would I even object!? It is placing M before LN and I object?!
ОПРСТ
ѸФХЦЧШЪѢУѦ   this ending looks like extended Ѡ and more similar alphabetic feature I can think of now is norwegian A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z Æ Ø Å
which is crazy because norwegian tradition inevitably intertwined with russian tradition when Wariaгs were summoned by russians, or when they were taught to believe it even it went otherwise.


В somewhat looks like double Б (doubling to turn plosive into fricative)
I used this transliteration of theirs to reconstruct it.


А
Б   В
Г   Д   Є   Ж   Ѯ
З   М   Л   Н   О   П   Р   С   Т 
Ѹ
ФХЦЧШ
And thise odd number of consonants breaks the structure anyway.
It went great up to Т, and broke at the abomination of Ѹ.
From A to T it's as if A E O were all the vowels had.
Which would make it very organic archaic. What amy I saying?
am I implying that rusland is where runes turned into alphabet?
what am I gonna say next? that russians taught greeks the alphabet?
that it is why golden fleece is named zolotoe runo in russian?
that georgia is a part of christian world by being a part of russia?
That they and Armenia wouldn't survive without European might?
That russia is a part of Europe? It naturally is, but it always opposes it.
Is it as a fighter presses one fist against his other hand? Making it firmer?
Ъ
Ѣ
У
Ѧ


This ending is cool and norwegian.
And it would lay into the axial structure if it had І:

А
Б   В
Г   Д   Є   Ж   Ѯ
З   І   М
Л   Н   О   П   Р
С   Т 
Ѹ
ФХЦЧШ

oops, sorry, it still wouldn't lay into it with these five.
but the part before it would be surprisingly symmetric.
and Ф which opens the wild bunch is the infamous letter,
that all words in russian with that letter are foreign.
Is it why its doublet Ѳ is deposed? No, there's a wild frog-leap of these Ѳ and Ф, they appear and disappear: Онфим uses Ѳ where Ф stands, and his abecedary is dated two centuries later than Грамота591


to turn plosive into fricative is more clear than to make plosive fricative. That is how the alphabet develops, from generic make to specific turn.

Whether it is ЄЖѮЗМЛН or ЄЖѮЗІМЛН, it is interesting:
in first case we place M in the E-line, and though it is away from that vowel, ЖѮЗ looks like an introne, some дЖeЗуЅ, though in unicode and many others, such as Onfim's abecedary, it is ЖЅЗ. ЖeЅuЗ (типа жизненное учение, живое слово, жизнь вечная, людское)
and without that intron it somehow lays into the axial symmetry
was it what I was leading to? I wasn't, but it came to this:

А
Б   В
 Г   Д   Є   М   Л
Н   О   П
Р   С
Т   Ѹ   Ф
Х   Ц   Ч   Ш
Ъ
Ѣ
У
Ѧ

now it looks like both jewish and soviet star
(it's a soviet star, which turns into the jewish star when that конец в неё входит)

А
Б   В
  Г   Д   Є   М   Л
Н   О   П
Р   С
Т   Ѹ   Ф
Х   Ц   Ъ   Ч   Ш
Ѣ   У
Ѧ

isn't it wild, that it would look even more ✡like if not that РС part,
which is of РуСь
РѹС
both РОС & РУС
        [ros] & [rus]
ѹ (one symbol) is a wild form of U in russian,
now it's just У, and that Грамота 591, currently considered the most ancient russian abecedary,
lists У[u] at the spot of Y, and Ѧ playing as Аз,
aZ (if it was a closed syllable, it would be a syllable of Z)

берестяная грамота № 591 (1025–1050 гг.) на сегодняшний день остается самым древним текстовым абеседарием, найденным на бересте.Однако исторической науке известны еще более ранние русские азбуки-граффити и уникальные памятники, созданные чуть раньше или в это же время:
один из таких памятников, которые G перечислил, Новгородский кодекс, в котором то ли на полях то ли ещё как Зализняком открыто множество написаний азбуки,
в двух вариантах: кратком (а б в г д е ж ѕ з и ї к л м н о п р с т ѹ ф х ц ч ш щ ѿ)
и полном (а б в г д е ж ѕ з и ї к л м н о п р с т ѹ ф х ц ч ш щ ѿ ъ ѣ ѫ ѭ ю ꙗ ѧ ѿ)


а б в г д
е ж ѕ з
и ї к л м н
о п р с т
ѹ ф х ц ч ш щ ѿ
а
б в
г д е ж ѕ
з и ї
к л м н о п р с т
ѹ
ф х ц ч ш щ
ѿ

it's quite a stretch to consider ї й,
but since the rest of it reminds modern russian alphabet so much,
maybe it's not Украина, but Украйна (типа украдена?)

а б в г д
е ж ѕ з
и ї к л м н
о п р с т
ѹ ф х ц ч ш щ
ѿ ъ ѣ ѫ ѭ ю ꙗ ѧ ѿ
а
б в
г д е ж ѕ
з и ї
к л м н о п р с т
ѹ
ф х ц ч ш щ
ѿ
ъ
ѣ
ѫ
ѭ
ю

ѧ
ѿ

and, to my surprise, both of those abecedaries lay into the axial symmetry if ї is й the j

and this figure reminds me of something else:
𓊽
and also скипетр
and some complicated cross too,
byzantine or papal cross or something of the kind:


The way the supposedly most ancient forms of russian alphabet remind russian alphebet may speak not only of silly forgery, but also about traditions fighting each other and bringing forth one or the other shape of the azbuka.
Ukrainians are at the pre-soviet tradition, with plenty of I's and such, having fallen way further from grace than russian alphabet, which is also far from grace. But they still do not force goyim to fight, they use shekel, not a whip, weird, huh, Glory to Ukraїne, but wtf

another ancient russian abecedary Gemini told me about is Азбука Софии Киевской:

(the vertical bar is probably caused by the pages of the book bending or cut short)


АБВГД
ЄЖЗ
ИѲІКЛМНѮ
ОПРСТ
УФХШЩѠ
А
БВ
ГДЄЖЗ
И
ѲІКЛ
МНѮОПРС
ТУФ
ХШЩ
..aand it break in these three
Ѡ
and this one is even closer to the modern canon,
in that ЖЗ is not invaded by neither Ѯ nor Ѕ,

That Ѳ follows И is wild and very greek, and it demands me to consider І vowel and take it somewhere else, let's see, maybe then the axial symmetry plays along..

АБВГД
ЄЖЗ
ИѲ
ІКЛМНѮ
ОПРСТ
УФХШЩѠ
А
БВ
ГДЄЖЗ
И
ѲІК
ЛМ
НѮОПР
СТУФХ
ШЩ
Ѡ

and it does play along, looking like a vial with a lid
and И looks just like the bottleneck.

So are those two (or many more) different traditions differ the most in whether it contains vowel І or consonant Ї? I'm guessing, trippin', moving on over all this uncertainty.


3 and 4 only lay into the axial symmetry if that ᚽ-like І is consonant:

(3)
А
БВ
ГДЄЖЅ
ЗИІ
КЛ
МНОПР
СТУФХ
Ѡ
ЦЧШЩ
Ъ

Ь
Ѣ
Ю
Ѧ
Ѫ

ѮѰѲ
...and it breaks at these three,
so unless Ѳ doesn't belong among them,
which its numeral value tells that it maybe doesn't

(4)
А
БВ
ГДЄЖЅ
ЗИІ
КЛ
МНОПР
СТУФХ
Ѡ
ЦЧШЩ
Ъ

Ь
Ѣ
Ю

Ѥ
Ѧ
Ѫ
Ѩ
Ѭ

ѮѰѲѴ
and it breaks at the tail, because Ѵ is vowel
(so, unless Ѵ is consonant, which it.. may be:
собственно ижица используется в заимствованных (обычно из греческого или через греческий) словах
и читается либо как [и], либо как [в] (Паѵелъ, Єѵа)
)

it is interesting how I actually learnt of the consonant nature of Ѵ during this trip,
but was the trip itself of any value other than this one?
Well, this one is a value enough.
If it has some other value, that only time can tell.
Let's raid that book for more booty:





that ст which is st in english, for both СвяТ and SainT are final letters of the archaic alphabet, as if it ended with СвяТ, где вя было бы "ו", while ain would be "and".

(more on this at page 203 and further on)
и какой-то древний шифр:

сравни слова шифр и шрифт
they're as if шрифт is шифрed
шифр ~ шриф             ~         form ~ morph?
1234 ~ 1423                   ~         1234 ~ 4231
(if moves in шр)                      (m&f move around or)
(inside or outside of it)
                                         both "if" and "or" are words.

morph and form place those m & f around "or". as if Mère et Fille is your choice to have sex with.
Mothers in law are so mad, because our modern morals do not allow husbands to fuck their mothers in law. Why wouldn't they fuck them? They're not related by blood, what are the wild laws about illegality of fucking step-sisters too! People reproduced this way before modern morals. Modern morals lead to underpopulation. It could be their plan to depopulate.

But what do form or morph have to do with Mere et Fille? F or M? For Me?
M молодая, F фуруй (old in japanese)
(but Mere er Fille are the other way around, so this is a coincidence, and imagine if I wouldn't notice it, if by another accident, they were not the other way around.

Let's look at the other word. Ш-if-R (о замене слов, такое описание полностью описывает смысл первых шифров. One sign is another in them. and if Ш if R, that text is заШИФРован.
Шрифт is Ш=R if +ed  (ибо шрифт сопоставляет разные виды закорючек разным видам звуков)
Но, конечно же что if & or are solid wordss in those bigger words could be a coincidence, so what we're doing here is excavating a never-challenged observation (that some synonyms are phonetically similar) and taking first steps at unfolding that phenomenon.

I wonder if it is even ethical to use such meta-etymologic speculations as poetry.



и лихо они развернули видео на миллион просмотров просто упомянув Задорнова в заголовке.
Мария Эдуардовна Рут доставляет, рассказывая про свой опыт погружения в интернет и что там её отпугнуло: Безапелляционные заявления, за которыми ничего не стоит кроме мнения.
Я понимаю о чём она, толпишка не рубит ни болта и прётся с совершенно невиданной хуйни.
За моими же заявлениями стоит мнение, сформулированное наблюдениями, потому у меня помимо мнения там ещё стоят наблюдения, сравнения, многочисленные проверки, огромное количество собранного материала, литературы и непосредственного (но непосредственно собранный материал это и есть наблюдения, прочитанное наблюдениями не называют)
но на канале интервьюера то же самое интервью, залитое не позже чем то, если не раньше, тоже упоминает Задорнова в заголовке, но его посмотрело в 1000 раз меньше человек. Быть может, он назвал своё видео иначе, и лишь гораздо позже переименовал его, увидев как ловят хайп девчата, но ютуб на переименование не повёлся.
Or, maybe because that channel is her channel and she is more popular than the interviewer.



ΛΜΝ the elements (ts is probably Ξ)
No, the Greek letter Ξ (Xi) is not used as a grammatical plural suffix in any natural spoken language. [1]
and further it tells me that X in latin does work as plural suffix (château becomes châteaux)
but watch the next passage, the thing is getting better all the time:
However, your question most likely stems from a visual mix-up, a linguistic sound pattern, or a specific internet subculture.
The letter Ξ can easily be confused with three things:
## 1. The Chinese Character 三 (sān)
The uppercase Greek letter Ξ consists of three horizontal bars. This makes it visually identical to the Chinese character 三 (sān), which means "three". While "three" is a number rather than a plural suffix, placing it before or after a noun dictates a plural amount. [2, 3, 4]
## 2. The Latin Letter "X" in Romance Languages
The lowercase version of the letter, ξ, represents the sound "ks" (like the English "x"). In several natural languages, the actual Latin letter X serves as a plural suffix: [5]
* French: Many nouns ending in -au, -eu, or -ou use -x as their plural suffix (e.g., château becomes châteaux).
* Galician: Some words use -x to form plurals. [6, 7]
Because ξ is structurally and historically tied to the "x" sound, it is occasionally used in "Faux Greek" or stylized internet typography (like Leetspeak) to replace the letter X or E (e.g., writing "boox" as "booξ"). [8]
## 3. Ancient Greek Noun Declensions
In Ancient Greek, you will frequently see nouns that seem to end in ξ in their singular or plural forms. However, this is not a dedicated plural suffix. The letter ξ is a shorthand combination of a velar consonant (κ, γ, or χ) meeting a grammatical σ (sigma). For example, the word phalanx (φάλαγξ) ends in a xi, but its plural form is phalanges (φάλαγγες). [5, 9, 10]
Are you seeing this symbol used in a coding language, a specific math/science formula, or perhaps a fictional language (conlang) from a book or game? If you share the context of where you saw it, I can pinpoint exactly what it represents!

I didn't even see the similarity between Ξ and 三, but it is definitely there, and both are similar to egyptian way to denote plural forms: 𓏥
egyptian way to denote singular form is also magnificient:
𓏤
(but Gemini tells otherwise: Number 1: Acts as a unit count in cardinal numbers.
Ideographic Determinative: Placed next to a sign to show the word means exactly what the drawing depicts.
)


I ask it about ts (if the root of the word elements is ts)
and it seems that's not the case, probably they used to be elemenx:
Mayan languages Tzotzil and Tzeltal:     Vinik (Man) → Vinikets (Men)

Tlingit (Indigenous Alaskan):                  Xáat (Fish) → Xáat_ts'_ (School of fish / group of fish)
Haa (Us) → Haats' (Our collective group)

it gave me some examples I cannot which validity I'm not qualified to check
but I thought again, and I can check it by Grok:

Tzotzil:  Singular “man” (human being / male person): vinik (also written vinic). 
Plural “men”: typically viniketik (non-possessed nouns often take the plural suffix -etik / -et-ik).
Other related terms include mol (adult male, often with a sense of respect or “elder/man”).

Tzeltal:  Singular “man”: winik.      Plural “men”: winiketik.
(Confirmed in dictionaries and examples such as te winike = “the man,” winiketik / te winiketike = “the men.”)

I asked it directly, and it tells no, winikets is not used instead of winiketic anywhere.
and isn't it magnificient that mayan and english plural suffixes are forms of C (𓏻?)
𓏥 as a form of 𓏻 the way S is a form of C?
But the suffix is not ic, it is etic!

yet Grok gives me its own examples of -ts suffix

Purépecha (Tarascan): Historical descriptions mention a suffix written -tsi or -ts, but it is not the ordinary plural marker.
Coast Tsimshian: Has a derivational suffix involving -ts (among others), but plurals are formed mainly by reduplication or other means, not by a simple -ts.
Mayan languages (including Tzeltal/Tzotzil from our earlier discussion) use forms like -etik, -ik, -o’ob, etc.—not -ts.

now let's pretend I cannot test it, because what's the point: it's not the first subject I dropped at half wo

I checked Grokie before I left him at it:

In Tzotzil, “adult men” is typically expressed as moletik.
mol = adult male / grown man / elder man / husband / respected senior man
(distinct from the more general vinik = man / person / human being)
-etik = the common non-possessed plural suffix




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