so I recommend you to read the summary of
this work instead.
vara sandr né
sær
nor sand there were; nor sea
as if sand is uNDer the sea, as it is within it
(sandr (sand) places nd(эн дэ ~ анда (under)) within the sar
of sær (sea))
In modern english sea and sand are as nd is not within, but
after the sea, which makes some other sense:
it makes more sense at the first sight, for common shallow
public, but to seer it's obvious that where there's sand, sea
is also in it.
But then isn't r a suffix? Nope: sandr m
(genitive sands, plural sandar)
(so, sand's was sands. how did it become plural? R and S are
next to one another, but come on, why?)
Latin suffixes tell of O R S T to be the line. -o, -ere, -es,
-est(was it ever -et?)
1st,
imp, 2nd, 3rd
L as in делал, делали (past)
M as in делаем
(present)
N as in сделано (но как no? сейчас нет)
actually, there's no grammatic future form in english verbs,
and what I imagined to be (as a kid) is exactly the passive
tense, so N is great here. But then to align these letters by
the time line, we'd more likely place them as MLN
sand adds n and d to sand, let's ponder on those two
here's what I made of n:
п ~ по
n ~ на (on
(но как быть с on/no? a- это не просто
отрицательный префикс, это символ инверсии слога))
here's what I made of d:
д ~ до
на и над? над is до на.
is nd in sand дно? ведь от перестановки слагаемых сумма не
меняется, и "над (на до)" is "до на"
но то что надо висит словно дамокловым мечом
дно ~ до самого до на?
дон когнат слова дно?
дон is on, дно is no?
A E I O U
A
e I ǝ
U
Ʌ < I >
V
Ʌ
I
V seems to be way more easily
recognizable, than it is to see E and O in < and >
And also those are the opposites (and A being central letter
isn't even mentioned in IVX (was X any consonant? cs, consonant.
Let's test this guess (or is it revelation) ))
Ʌ
e I ǝ
V
could be the spindle in the middle and two
elements of ☯ as alpha and omega by its sides.
elf, not alef. elf is eleven. Aleph after the digits. twelve
as beth? дВЕнаДЦаТь (and before Be is д)
thirteen as thor the
ᚠᚢᚦ as ᚠᚱᛂᛆ ᚢᚦᛁᚿ ᚦᚮᚱ (didn't ᚦᚮᚱ borrow ᚦ from
ᚢᚦᛁᚿ and ᚱ from ᚠᚱᛂᛆ? or is it ᚮᚦᛁᚿ, and then ᚦᚮᚱ didn't bring
anything knew, only combined ᚦᚮ
of ᚮᚦᛁᚿ with ᚱ of ᚠᚱᛂᛆ
Is Freya even Thor's mother?
Freyja rules over her heavenly field,
Fólkvangr, where she receives half of those who die in
battle.
The other half go to the god Odin's hall, Valhalla.
In Norse mythology, Óðr ([ˈoːðz̠]; Old
Norse for the "Divine Madness, frantic, furious, vehement,
eager", as a noun "mind, feeling" and also "song, poetry";
Orchard (1997) gives "the frenzied one"[1]) or Óð,
sometimes anglicized as Odr or Od, is a figure associated
with the major goddess Freyja. The Prose Edda and
Heimskringla, written in the 13th century by Snorri
Sturluson, both describe Óðr as Freyja's husband and father
of her daughter Hnoss. Heimskringla adds that the couple
produced another daughter, Gersemi. A number of theories
have been proposed about Óðr, generally that he is a
hypostasis of the deity Odin due to their similarities.
Old Norse texts portray Odin as the son of Bestla and Borr
along with two brothers, Vili and Vé, and he fathered many
sons, most famously the gods Thor (with Jörð) and Baldr
(with Frigg). He is known by hundreds of names. Odin is
frequently portrayed as one-eyed and long-bearded, wielding
a spear named Gungnir or appearing in disguise wearing a
cloak and a broad hat. He is often accompanied by his animal
familiars—the wolves Geri and Freki and the ravens Huginn
and Muninn, who bring him information from all over
Midgard—and he rides the flying, eight-legged steed Sleipnir
across the sky and into the underworld. In these texts he
frequently seeks greater knowledge, most famously by
obtaining the Mead of Poetry, and makes wagers with his wife
Frigg over his endeavors.
are Frigg and Freya the same person?
> Are Frigg and Freya the same deity?
Ah, this is a complicated question! The short
answer is that Frigg and Freya are generally considered to
be separate deities in Norse mythology. However, some
scholars have proposed a theory, known as the Frigg/Freyja
Common Origin Hypothesis, which suggests that they might
have descended from a common origin in earlier Germanic
mythology.
The evidence for this is scant, though, and the lack of
surviving sources from pre-Viking Age references to Germanic
goddesses makes it difficult to say for sure. It's an
interesting idea, but one that is still very much up for
debate among scholars.
> Their husbands are probably the same person too.
Yes, you’re quite right, there’s a lot of
debate about that as well!
In Norse mythology, Frigg’s husband is Odin, the All-Father
and king of the gods. Freya, on the other hand, is married
to Óðr, a figure about whom we know very little. Some have
suggested that Óðr may simply be another name for Odin,
which would mean that Freya and Frigg’s husbands are,
indeed, the same person.
Again, however, the evidence is limited and not conclusive.
Some scholars argue that the similarities between Óðr and
Odin are too superficial to assume they are the same deity.
As with many questions about Norse mythology, it’s hard to
say for certain one way or another. It's certainly
fascinating to speculate about, though!
But Odin doesn't seem to be her son. It's told that Odin
fucked the earth itself to beget him, but it could be slander.
What can I trust in this hisory? The real answer is we never
really know. Is it real though?
> You know this stuff surprisingly well. Maybe you also
know which deity was associated with which rune?
Thanks, I've had a lot of time to read! 😄 As
for your question, there are indeed associations between
certain deities and certain runes. However, keep in mind
that these associations are not universal and can vary
depending on the source or interpretation. Here are a few
examples:
Ansuz: Odin, the All-Father
Fehu: Freya, goddess of fertility, love,
and wealth
Thurisaz: Thor, the god of thunder
Ingwaz: Ing, a lesser-known fertility god
Berkano: Holda (or Hulda), a goddess
associated with the earth and fertility
Mannaz: Heimdall, the watchman of the
gods
Othala: Odin, particularly in his role as
a god of ancestry and inheritance
Remember, these are just a few examples. There are different
systems for attributing runes to deities, and not all of
them agree on the specifics.
I didn't know it, and I didn't ask it of it, yet we agreed
that ᚠ is for Freya, and ᚦ is for Thor.
We also agreed that Odin begins with vowel, yet ..and Othala
too. Alphab and Omega isn't he!
(the following text in that font is my
chat with the large language model of some kind, feel free
to skip it if you are not interested)
> what are the others?
Certainly, here are the remaining runes and
some possible deity associations:
Raidho: No specific deity is commonly
associated with Raidho, but it is sometimes linked to the
Norns (or Fates) due to its connection with journeys and
destiny.
Kenaz: Like Raidho, Kenaz isn't commonly
attributed to a specific deity. However, its association
with creativity and knowledge could potentially link it to
Odin or Bragi, the god of poetry.
Gebo: Frigg, goddess of love and
marriage, is sometimes associated with Gebo due to its
connection with gifts and partnerships.
Hagalaz: The Jotun (or giant) Hyrrokkin
is sometimes associated with Hagalaz due to the rune’s
destructive, hailstorm-like associations.
Wunjo: Idun, the goddess of spring and
rejuvenation, is sometimes associated with Wunjo due to its
associations with joy and pleasure.
Isa: Skaði, the goddess of winter and the
mountains, is sometimes associated with Isa due to its
associations with ice and stillness.
> Are there more?
In the Elder Futhark, which is the most
commonly used rune set, those are all of the runes. However,
there are other rune sets that have additional runes. For
example, the Anglo-Saxon Futhorc and the Younger Futhark
each have additional runes that are not found in the Elder
Futhark.
The Anglo-Saxon Futhorc includes the following additional
runes:
Ac: No particular deity associations.
Aesc: Associated with ash trees, but no
specific deity.
Yr: Associated with archery and thus
sometimes linked to Ullr, the god of archery and skiing.
Ior: No particular deity associations.
Ear: No particular deity associations.
The Younger Futhark, on the other hand, is a reduced form of
the Elder Futhark, with only 16 runes. It doesn’t have any
additional runes.
> Do you know that you gave me only 13 runes before you
said that in the Elder Futhark those are all of the runes?
Oh dear, you’re quite right! 😳 It seems I
missed a few when I was listing them out. My apologies for
the oversight. Here are the remaining four runes in the
Elder Futhark:
Jera: This rune is sometimes associated
with Freyr, the god of fertility and harvest, due to its
associations with the harvest and the cycle of the year.
Eihwaz: Due to its association with the
Yggdrasil, the World Tree, this rune is sometimes linked to
Odin, who hung from Yggdrasil to gain knowledge of the
runes.
Perthro: No specific deity associations,
but it’s sometimes linked to the Norns due to its connection
with fate and the unknown.
Algiz: Some associate Algiz with Heimdall
due to its protective associations, though this is not
universal.
Again, my apologies for missing these four runes in my
earlier list!
> 13 and 4 are 17
Oh boy, my math isn’t serving me well today
either! 🤦️ You’re absolutely right, 13 + 4 is 17. I
mistakenly included Thurisaz (Thor) in both the list of 13
and the list of 4. So there are 16 runes in the Elder
Futhark, and I’ve now listed them all. Thank you for keeping
me on my toes!
> Were you trying to tell me that there were only 13, not
24 runes? as many as there are letters in ogham calendar?
No, not at all! There are indeed 24 runes in
the Elder Futhark, not 13 or 17. My mistake earlier was in
failing to list all of them, not in suggesting that there
were fewer than 24. The 24 runes of the Elder Futhark are
often compared to the 24 letters of the Ogham alphabet, as
you mentioned. This is because both are often used in
divination and magic, and both have symbolic associations
beyond their use in writing.
> You didn't include Thurisaz (Thor) inthe list of 4. What
caused that lie? also 17 without one would be 16, as they say
of the younger futhark.. Why are you trippin at it?
You’re quite right, I did include Thurisaz in
the first list. That was my mistake, and it’s caused a lot
of confusion in our conversation! I’m truly sorry about
that. 🤦️ There was no intention to lie or mislead you.
You’re also correct that the Younger Futhark has 16 runes,
not 17. My mistake was in miscounting, not in intentionally
giving an incorrect number.
I apologize for the errors. I’m trying to give you accurate
information, but I’ve clearly made some mistakes in our
conversation about runes.
> Okay, you still show your limitations, get better soon.
Thank you for your cooperation.
You’re welcome, and thank you for your
understanding and patience as I’ve worked through my
mistakes. It’s been a learning experience for me too, and
I’ll do my best to avoid similar errors in the future. 😊
Thinking of whether it's correct to link Odin to ᚢ, I recall
his other name: Wotan!
> Is Odin ever associated with ᚢ?
Indeed, Odin is sometimes associated with the
rune ᚢ (Ansuz). The name “Ansuz” comes from Proto-Germanic
*ansuz, which denotes a deity belonging to the principal
pantheon in Germanic paganism. The rune itself is shaped
like a Latin “A”, which comes from the Phoenician letter
aleph.
In Norse mythology, Odin is known for his associations with
wisdom, battle, magic, and inspiration, among other things.
His connection with the Ansuz rune could be seen as a
reflection of these qualities.
lolwut? as you can see, the technology is still not perfect.
but then there's this:
The Younger Futhark corresponding to the Elder
Futhark ansuz rune is ᚬ, called óss. It is transliterated as
ą. This represented the phoneme /ɑ̃/, and sometimes /æ/
(also written ᛅ) and /o/ (also written ᚢ). The variant
grapheme ᚯ became independent as representing the phoneme
/ø/ during the 11th to 14th centuries.
so I interrogate it some more:
> Ansuz? is ᚢ ansuz?
Yes, indeed, ᚢ is Ansuz, the fourth rune in
the Elder Futhark. It represents the sound “a” and is
associated with the deities Odin, Loki, and Freyr in Norse
mythology.
Ansuz can also represent wisdom, communication, and
creativity. In a broader sense, it can signify the power of
language, the importance of one’s words, and the impact they
can have.
It’s worth noting that rune interpretations can vary
depending on the source and context, but this is a common
understanding of Ansuz.
> ᚢ is ur, come on!
Ah, you’re absolutely right! 😅 I’ve slipped
up again.
ᚢ is indeed Uruz, not Ansuz. Uruz represents the sound “u”,
and is associated with strength, stamina, and good health.
It’s linked with the aurochs, a wild European ox that is now
extinct.
Thank you for catching that! I apologize for the error.
> Is Uruz ever associated with Odin?
There doesn't seem to be a commonly accepted
association between Odin and Uruz, but that's not to say
such an association doesn't exist in some interpretations or
traditions. Most sources link Uruz to the aurochs, an
extinct species of wild cattle, and to concepts of strength,
vitality, and primal energy.
But given the fact that Norse mythology can vary widely in
interpretation and there are different schools of thought
about runes, it's certainly possible that some might
associate Uruz with Odin, perhaps due to Odin's association
with wisdom and knowledge, or his role as a god of battle.
> Isn't Wotan written with Uruz?
Ah, now I see where you’re going with this!
You’re absolutely right, the name “Wotan” (an alternative
form of Odin) is indeed written with Uruz in Proto-Germanic.
It would be something like ᚹᚢᛏᚨᚾ.
So in that sense, you could say that Uruz is associated with
Odin, or at least with his name. Great connection!
> Does Wotan ever begin with ᚢ? Like ᚢᚮᛏᛆᚿ or something?
In the Elder Futhark, Wotan is typically
written starting with ᚹ (Wunjo) as ᚹᚢᛏᚨᚾ, as we mentioned
earlier. However, writing systems and languages evolve over
time, so it’s certainly possible that in some dialects or at
certain points in history, Wotan might have been written
starting with ᚢ.
I haven’t come across any specific reference to Wotan being
written as ᚢᚮᛏᛆᚿ, but given the variations in Germanic
languages and writing systems, I wouldn’t rule it out as a
possibility.
So up to 18 October 2024 ai are not reliable to take them at
the face value, they may disinform. And isn't it made to
disinform about runes because it was messed with by the jews
for example?
In the context of ᚠᚢᚦᚭᚱᚴ, ᚠᚢᚦ would be perfect representation
of Freya Wotan and Thor.
But in the context of ᚫᚢᚦᚭᚱᚴ, isn't Freya Areya? Isn't it
where the whole Aryan thing come from?
And now I guess that this trinity keeps on going: ᚫ~ᚭ, ᚢ~ᚱ,
ᚦ~ᚴ
(a~e, v~п, с~g (п~f (but isn't
it too much of a pull)))
ᚱ is for Ræið in the runic poems.
Here comes the icelandic rune poem with someone's translation
and with my commentary:
Fé er frænda róg
Wealth: source of discord among
kinsmen (Fee is
friend's quarrel (ругань, rogue))
ok flæðar
viti
and fire of the
sea (маяк? золото? these are kennings)
ok grafseiðs
gata
and path of the serpent.
aurum fylkir.
aurum~gold?
fylkir~king(fürher?) (не переведено в пероеводе)
aurum and Fé are listed as synonyms (thus
Fé is lot's of money, king's gold)
Úr er skýja
grátr
Shower: lamentation of the clouds
(sky's cry)
ok skára
þverrir
and ruin of the hay-harvest
ok hirðis
hatr.
and abomination of the shepherd.
umbre vísi
(тени
индикатор(?, g.t. told me so) it was not in the
translation)
ᚠᚡ and ᚢᚣᚤᚥ obviously oppose each other, as
golden fate and shower overhead (sometimes shown in the
thought-cloud in comix as sad state)
Isn't it why in another sequence they are at the beginning and
at the end? Well, isn't it atbash way? ᚢ as the final letter
is also the second one, when the alphabet was folded?
Are ᛆ and ᚢ such opposites? Or do I imagine things? Like ᛆ
being s later shape of when that dash was a whole arm, later
broken off by some enemy, for example.
ᚠ and ᚥ are thus like horseshoe as Ʊ and Ω, sybolizing good
and bad luck.
But if ᚢ is for Wotan, why would he stand for bad luck? Maybe
because all his life is some battle, while Freya is doing her
female stuff? But then I'm sorry to speak of it before I know
it, but I dared to lead the log of a researcher, I'm showing
the process of my getting into this stuff, so maybe later some
neuronet can repeat it to build somewhat a copy of me, drawing
it through these mind's turbulents (with all the typoes? why?)
The letter Ʊ (minuscule: ʊ), called horseshoe
or sometimes bucket, inverted omega or Latin upsilon, is a
letter of the International Phonetic Alphabet used to
transcribe a near-close near-back rounded vowel.
Graphically, the lower case is a turned small-capital Greek
letter omega (Ω) in many typefaces (e.g. Arial, Calibri,
Candara, Liberation, Lucida, Noto, Times New Roman), and
historically it derives from a small-capital Latin U (ᴜ),
with the serifs exaggerated to make them more visible.[1] However, Geoffrey Pullum interpreted
it as an IPA variant of the Greek letter upsilon (υ) and
called it Latin upsilon, the name that would be adopted by
Unicode, though in IPA an actual Greek upsilon is also
used for the voiced labiodental approximant; Pullum called
this letter script V[2] and Unicode calls it V with hook.
Horseshoe is used in the African reference alphabet, and
national alphabets such as those of Anii[3] and Tem. It
most often has the value of /u/ with retracted tongue
root.
Þurs er kvenna
kvöl
Giant: torture of women
ok kletta
búi
and cliff-dweller
ok varðrúnar
verr.
and husband of a giantess.
Saturnus þengill.
Saturn star (is this line not a part of
the poem? translation has it not)
Giants are the entities which ruled before
Gods.
(Giants are Titans) As Saturn (Cronos) ruled before Jupiter
(Zeus)
literally the same words: us in Zeus is suffix, thus Ze,
which is next to Že of Žu-pitar
and os in Cronos is such suffix, and Cron is way more
similar to Saturn:
ronos in Cronos is rnus is Saturnus,
and thus C is Satu, which is nice.
Óss er
algingautr
God: aged Gautr
ok ásgarðs
jöfurr,
and prince of Ásgarðr
ok valhallar
vísi.
and lord of Vallhalla.
Jupiter oddviti.
Jupiter chief
(also not in translation, probably some
ending~adding)
(in these it is some astrologic part,
but in the first two they were yang and yin: shine and
shade)
Reið er sitjandi
sæla
Riding: joy of the horsemen
ok snúðig ferð
and speedy journey
ok jórs
erfiði.
and toil of the steed.
iter ræsir.
iterLA~
passage (aurum also was latin) ræsirIS
~ chief, king
Kaun er barna
böl
Ulcer: disease fatal to children (barna~born(child),
böl~боль(disaster, misfortune))
ok bardaga
[för]
and
painful spot (bardaga~bardagi(beating,
thrashing, fight, battle)
[för (journey, trip, voyage (far? farth? (go
far who fart?)))]
ok holdfúa
hús.
and abode of
mortification. (holdfúa~"of flesh rotenness"
hús~house)
flagella konungr.
flagella~жгутики(flagellation~порка) konungr ~ king
Hagall er
kaldakorn
Hail: cold grain
ok
krapadrífa
and
shower of sleet
ok snáka
sótt.
and sickness of serpents.
grando hildingr.
hilding: Old Norse Hildingr, from hildingr (“ruler,war
chief”).
grando is also latin, grandō:
hail, hailstorm, (figuratively) great quantity,
multitude
(both grando and hagall are "hail" which is ..град)
(well, naturally град: shower of sleet)
(град ~ грандō)
Nauð er Þýjar
þrá
Constraint: grief of the bond-maid
ok þungr
kostr
and state of oppression
ok vássamlig
verk.
and toilsome
work.
opera niflungr.
opera is work in latin; niflungr = nibelung (Francī Nivilōnēs)
Íss er
árbörkr
Ice: bark
of rivers
ok unnar
þak
and roof of the wave
ok feigra manna
fár.
and destruction of the doomed.
glacies jöfurr.
glacies is ice in latin (thus these lines are commentary?)
Jofur (from Old Norse
Jöfurr: "wild boar") is a name used in Nordic literature
for the thunder god,
mainly as a synonym for Jupiter. Jofur (as a god)
does not appear in Norse mythology, even though the word
was also used as an honorary title for kings and heroes.
Ár er gumna
góði
Plenty: boon to men
ok gott
sumar
and good
summer
algróinn
akr.
and thriving crops.
annus allvaldr.
annus is year in latin, allvaldr is king and sovereign
in Old-Norse.
Sól er skýja
skjöldr
Sun: shield of the clouds (sky's
shield)
ok skínandi
röðull
and shining ray
ok ísa
aldrtregi.
and
destroyer of ice.
rota siklingr.
rota is wheel in latin, siklingr is poet, king and ruler in
Old Norse
Týr er einhendr
áss
Týr: god with one hand
ok ulfs
leifar
and leavings of the wolf
ok hofa
hilmir.
and prince of temples.
Mars tiggi.
Mars is Mars, and tiggi is king in poetic icelandic
Bjarkan er laufgat
lim
Birch: leafy twig
ok lítit
tré
and little tree
ok ungsamligr
viðr.
and fresh young shrub.
abies buðlungr.
abies is translated from latin as fir,
buðlungr is king, prince in old Norse
Maðr er manns
gaman
Man: delight of man (doesn't it
tell that Maðr is first and foremost a woman?)
ok moldar
auki
and augmentation of
the earth
ok skipa
skreytir.
and adorner of ships. (hands
down, Maðr is cognate of mother; woman)
homo mildingr.
homo is human in
latin,
mildingr is liberal man & prince in
poetic Old Norse.
Lögr er vellanda
vatn
Water: eddying stream vatn is water in
icelandic, vellanda is boiling(?)
ok viðr
ketill
and broad geysir (wide kettle?)
ok glömmungr
grund.
and land of the fish.
lacus lofðungr.
Lacus is lake in latin; Lofðungr is prince, king in Old
Norse.
Ýr er bendr
bogi
Yew: bent bow
ok brotgjarnt
járn
and brittle iron
ok fífu
fárbauti.
and giant of the arrow.
arcus ynglingr.
arcus is bow in latin (and as arc I can see why bow has two
meanings)
As defined by the Cleasby
& Vigfusson Old Norse to English dictionary:
ynglingr Old Norse word can mean:
m., mod. unglingr, [Dan. yngling; Germ.
jüngling], a young person, youth, Karl. 152.
II. prob. from a different root, the
pr. name of a mythical family, believed to be descended
from Odin, to which the kings of Norway traced back their
pedigree, Edda, Hdl., Hkr. i. 16, 24, Íb. (fine); Ynglinga
tal, the pedigree of the. Ynglings, a poem, Hkr. i; see
List of Authors: Ynglinga-saga, the Saga of the Y., see
Hkr. (the name of this Saga is not found in old vellums;
in Hkr. (pref.) it is called ‘æfi Ynglinga;’ cp. the
Ingaevones of Tacitus).
That final lines collect words for king, chief, furher, such
kind of words
aurum fylkir is
golden furher
umbre vísi is probably
somber wizard (they're the opposites
but they rule as one,
for as the horseshow,
two ways to raise it and two ends of the same object)
And in the light of Y for Ynglings and N for Nibelungs, I
suspect other such words to be the patronyms.
Those "patronyms" all begin with the letters of the rune. And
visi for ᚢ exposes it to be not u, but v.
(as the axial symmetry dictates, as the ᚠᚢᚦ
as ᚩᚢᚦ tells)
And is it something new I found? Because pi.ai tells "So while runes were not inherently linked to
patronyms, they were sometimes used to write them in
personal names.", thus it doesn't know of this
finding of mine.
but then isn't this finding a hypothesis?
and wasn't it not patronyms, but some royal titles less than
an hour ago?
"while runes were not solely associated with
royal titles"
so, it doesn't know of it either;
but it's use of word "ruler" in the context of runes made me
see this cognatism.
runes rule (and rulers obviously do it in secret, to prevent
revolts and to make their rule effective)
Now let's explore norwegian rune poem:
Fé vældr frænda róge;
Wealth is a source of
discord among kinsmen;
føðesk ulfr í
skóge.
the wolf lives in the forest.
Úr er af illu
jarne;
Dross comes from bad iron;
opt løypr ræinn á
hjarne.
the reindeer often races over the frozen snow.
Þurs vældr kvinna kvillu;
Giant causes anguish to women;
kátr værðr fár af
illu.
misfortune makes few men cheerful.
Óss er flæstra
færða
Estuary is the way of most journeys;
fǫr; en skalpr er
sværða.
but a scabbard is of swords.
Ræið kveða rossom
væsta;
Riding is said to be the worst thing for horses;
Reginn sló sværðet
bæzta.
Reginn forged the finest sword.
Kaun er barna
bǫlvan;
Ulcer is fatal to
children;
bǫl gørver nán
fǫlvan.
death makes a corpse pale.
Hagall er kaldastr
korna;
Hail
is the coldest of grain;
Kristr skóp hæimenn
forna.
Christ created the world of old.
Nauðr gerer næppa koste;
Constraint gives scant choice;
nøktan kælr í
froste.
a
naked man is chilled by the frost.
Ís kǫllum brú
bræiða;
Ice we call the broad bridge;
blindan þarf at
læiða.
the blind man must be led.
Ár er gumna
góðe;
Plenty is a boon to men;
get ek at ǫrr var
Fróðe.
I say that Frothi was generous.
Sól er landa
ljóme;
Sun is the light of the world;
lúti ek helgum
dóme.
I bow to the divine decree.
Týr er æinendr
ása;
Tyr is a one-handed god;
opt værðr smiðr
blása.
often has the smith to blow.
Bjarkan er laufgrønstr
líma;
Birch has the greenest leaves of any shrub;
Loki bar flærða
tíma.
Loki was fortunate in his deceit.
Maðr er moldar
auki;
Man is an augmentation of the dust;
mikil er græip á
hauki.
great is the claw of the hawk.
Lǫgr er, fællr ór
fjalle
A waterfall is a River which falls from a mountain-side;
foss; en gull ero
nosser.
but ornaments are of gold.
Ýr er vetrgrønstr
viða;
Yew is the greenest of trees in winter;
vænt er, er brennr, at sviða.
it is wont to crackle when it burns.
and anglo-saxon rune poem:
Feoh byþ frofur fira
gehwylcum;
Wealth is a comfort to all men;
sceal ðeah manna gehwylc miclun hyt
dælan
yet must every man bestow it
freely,
gif he wile for drihtne domes
hleotan.
if he wish to gain
honour in the sight of the Lord.
Ur byþ anmod ond
oferhyrned,
The aurochs is proud and has great horns;
felafrecne deor, feohteþ mid
hornum
it is a very savage beast and fights with its horns;
mære morstapa; þæt is modig
wuht.
a
great ranger of the moors, it is a creature of mettle.
Ðorn byþ ðearle scearp; ðegna
gehwylcum
The thorn is exceedingly sharp,
anfeng ys yfyl, ungemetum
reþe
an evil thing for any knight to touch,
manna gehwelcum, ðe him mid
resteð.
uncommonly severe on
all who sit among them.
Os byþ ordfruma ælere
spræce,
The
mouth is the source of all language,
wisdomes wraþu ond witena
frofur
a pillar of
wisdom and a comfort to wise men,
and eorla gehwam eadnys ond
tohiht.
a blessing and a joy to every
knight.
Rad byþ on recyde rinca
gehwylcum
Riding seems easy to every warrior while he is indoors
sefte ond swiþhwæt, ðamðe sitteþ on
ufan
and very courageous to him who traverses the high-roads
meare mægenheardum ofer
milpaþas.
on the back of a stout horse.
Cen byþ cwicera gehwam, cuþ on
fyre
The torch is known to every living man
blac ond beorhtlic, byrneþ
oftust
by
its pale, bright flame;
ðær hi æþelingas inne
restaþ.
it always burns where princes sit
within.
Gyfu gumena byþ gleng and
herenys,
Generosity brings credit and honour, which support one's
dignity;
wraþu and wyrþscype and wræcna
gehwam
it furnishes help and subsistence
ar and ætwist, ðe byþ oþra
leas.
to all broken
men who are devoid of aught else.
Wenne bruceþ, ðe can weana
lyt
Bliss he enjoys who
knows not
sares and sorge and him sylfa
hæfþ
suffering, sorrow nor
anxiety, and has
blæd and blysse and eac byrga
geniht.
prosperity and happiness and a good enough house.
Hægl byþ hwitust corna; hwyrft hit of heofones
lyfte,
Hail is the whitest of grain; it is whirled from the vault
of heaven
wealcaþ hit windes scura; weorþeþ hit to
wætere syððan.
and is tossed about by gusts
of wind; and then it melts into water.
Nyd byþ nearu on breostan; weorþeþ hi þeah oft niþa
bearnum Trouble is
oppressive to the heart; yet often it proves
to helpe and to hæle gehwæþre, gif hi his
hlystaþ æror.
a source of help and salvation to the
children of men,
to everyone who heeds it
betimes.
Is byþ ofereald, ungemetum
slidor,
Ice is very cold and immeasurably slippery;
glisnaþ glæshluttur gimmum
gelicust,
it glistens as clear as glass and most like to gems;
flor forste geworuht, fæger
ansyne.
it
is a floor wrought by the frost, fair to look upon.
Ger byÞ gumena hiht, ðonne God
læteþ,
Summer is a joy to men, when God, the holy King of Heaven,
halig heofones cyning, hrusan
syllan
suffers the earth to bring forth shining fruits
beorhte bleda beornum ond
ðearfum.
for rich and poor
alike.
Eoh byþ utan unsmeþe
treow,
The yew is a tree with
rough bark,
heard hrusan fæst, hyrde
fyres,
hard and fast in the
earth, supported by its roots,
wyrtrumun underwreþyd, wyn on
eþle.
a guardian of flame and a joy upon an
estate.
Peorð byþ symble plega and
hlehter
Peorth is a source of recreation and amusement to the great,
wlancum [on middum], ðar wigan
sittaþ
where warriors sit blithely together
on beorsele bliþe
ætsomne.
in the
banqueting-hall.
Eolh-secg eard hæfþ oftust on
fenne
The Eolh-sedge is mostly to be found in a marsh;
wexeð on wature, wundaþ
grimme,
it grows in the
water and makes a ghastly wound,
blode breneð beorna
gehwylcne
covering with blood
ðe him ænigne onfeng
gedeþ.
every
warrior who touches it.
Sigel semannum symble biþ on
hihte,
The sun is ever a joy in the hopes of seafarers
ðonne hi hine feriaþ ofer fisces
beþ,
when they journey away over the fishes' bath,
oþ hi brimhengest bringeþ to
lande.
until the courser of
the deep bears them to land.
Tir biþ tacna sum, healdeð trywa
wel
Tiw is a guiding star; well does it keep faith
wiþ æþelingas; a biþ on
færylde
with princes; it is ever on
its course
ofer nihta genipu, næfre
swiceþ.
over the mists of night and never fails.
Beorc byþ bleda leas, bereþ efne swa
ðeah
The poplar bears no fruit; yet without seed it brings forth
suckers,
tanas butan tudder, biþ on telgum
wlitig,
for it is generated from its leaves.
heah on helme hrysted
fægere,
Splendid are its
branches and gloriously adorned
geloden leafum, lyfte
getenge.
its lofty crown which
reaches to the skies.
Eh byþ for eorlum æþelinga
wyn,
The horse is a joy to princes in the
presence of warriors.
hors hofum wlanc, ðær him hæleþ
ymb[e]
A steed in the pride of its hoofs,
welege on wicgum wrixlaþ
spræce
when rich men on horseback bandy words
about it;
and biþ unstyllum æfre
frofur.
and it is ever a
source of comfort to the restless.
Man byþ on myrgþe his magan
leof:
The joyous man is dear to his kinsmen;
sceal þeah anra gehwylc oðrum
swican,
yet every man is doomed to fail his fellow,
forðum drihten wyle dome
sine
since the Lord by his decree
þæt earme flæsc eorþan
betæcan.
will commit the vile
carrion to the earth.
Lagu byþ leodum langsum
geþuht,
The ocean seems interminable to men,
gif hi sculun neþan on nacan
tealtum
if they venture on the rolling bark
and hi sæyþa swyþe
bregaþ
and the waves of the
sea terrify them
and se brimhengest bridles ne
gym[eð].
and the courser of
the deep heed not its bridle.
Ing wæs ærest mid
East-Denum
Ing was first seen by men among the
East-Danes,
gesewen secgun, oþ he siððan
est
till, followed by his
chariot,
ofer wæg gewat; wæn æfter
ran;
he departed eastwards
over the waves.
ðus Heardingas ðone hæle
nemdun.
So
the Heardingas named the hero.
Eþel byþ oferleof æghwylcum
men,
An estate is very dear to every man,
gif he mot ðær rihtes and gerysena
on
if he can enjoy there in his house
brucan on bolde bleadum
oftast.
whatever is right and proper in constant
prosperity.
Dæg byþ drihtnes sond, deore
mannum,
Day, the glorious light of the Creator, is sent by the Lord;
mære metodes leoht, myrgþ and
tohiht
it is beloved of men, a source of hope and happiness
eadgum and earmum, eallum
brice.
to rich and
poor, and of service to all.
Ac byþ on eorþan elda
bearnum
The oak fattens the flesh of pigs
for the children of men.
flæsces fodor, fereþ
gelome
Often it traverses the gannet's bath,
ofer ganotes bæþ; garsecg
fandaþ
and
the ocean proves whether the oak keeps faith
hwæþer ac hæbbe æþele
treowe.
in honourable fashion.
Æsc biþ oferheah, eldum
dyre
The ash is exceedingly
high and precious to men.
stiþ on staþule, stede rihte
hylt,
With its sturdy
trunk it offers a stubborn resistance,
ðeah him feohtan on firas
monige.
though attacked by many a man.
Yr byþ æþelinga and eorla
gehwæs
Yr is a source of joy and honour to every prince and knight;
wyn and wyrþmynd, byþ on wicge
fæger,
it looks well on a horse and is a
fæstlic on færelde, fyrdgeatewa
sum.
reliable equipment for
a journey.
Iar byþ eafix and ðeah a
bruceþ
Iar is a river fish and yet it
always
fodres on foldan, hafaþ fægerne
eard
feeds on land; it has a fair abode
wætre beworpen, ðær he wynnum
leofaþ.
encompassed by water, where it lives in happiness.
Ear byþ egle eorla
gehwylcun,
The grave is horrible to
every knight,
ðonn[e] fæstlice flæsc
onginneþ,
when the corpse quickly begins to cool
hraw colian, hrusan
ceosan
and is laid in the bosom of the dark
earth.
blac to gebeddan; bleda
gedreosaþ,
Prosperity
declines, happiness passes away
wynna gewitaþ, wera geswicaþ.
and covenants are broken.
it is noteworthy, that norwegian and icelandic are more
comprehensible than old-english,
as if old-english is full of gaelic
Ur осадок (both shower(big rain) and dross(окалина) can be
called "осадки", но в старо-английском слово Ur означало тура, быка какого-то, зубра
Let's use this table to find the universal runes (not added
later, those which have the same meaning)
ᚠ [f] wealth (fee, finance, funds (w~f? (well~feel? (he who
feels it, wins))))
ᚱ [r] ride
ᛡ [h] hail
ᚾ [n] need
ᛁ [i] ice
ᛄ [j] harvest (year's west (запад~закат~осень~вечер (вестер~ветер?)))
ᛋ [s] sun
ᛒ [b] birch
ᛗ [m] man
ᛚ [l] water (liquid)
fee ride (pay and play)
hail needs ice, harvest — sun, birch and man — water.
Sequence ij in those ten is alphabetic, but overall ten are
not.
The ten runes in this order, selected on this principle, show
another interesting feature: both r and l follow the labial
clusters.
Would the ten be more alphabetic if ᚠ is ᚩ and R would be P?
obviously, only hn are its cd. and yes, nice, non-plosive
forms of them. one is sonor, but it's okay. as g and д
are the same letter in russian, and in english they are not,
so h and n remind each other. Differently. Yet they do.
ᛡᚾᛁ is a sequence, ᛒᛗ are also special, ᛄ is staved ᛃ, though
it looks like ф, ᛳ, A variant letter used by
J. R. R. Tolkien to write Modern English in Anglo-Saxon
runes, representing the English ⟨oo⟩ grapheme. ()
Interesting, that Fe stands for wealth and russians don't even
know this word.
and russians were not using Ф in their own language, we used
it only for borrowed words.
f becomes п[p] in russian,
ᚠᚱ
ᛡᚾᛁ
ᛄᛋ
this
here is some wild territory, hypotheses inside a hypothesis,
ᛒᛗᛚ
very
etherimal(?) eferemal ephemeral
science
They say, that ᛄ the ᛃ is j, and harvest, year-fest?
yard-fest? yard is year-do (takes a year to get harvest in a
yarden ~ garden. )
𝔎𝔨𝕶𝖐 compare those k's to h's: ℌ𝔥𝕳𝖍
𝔎 and ℌ are different only as q and g (mostly
by teh last stroke)
k is closer to q
h is closer to g, so here it is more consistent (but
then this consistency also can be a fluke of chance)
(in both meanings: chance of something
important appearing here, or chance of accidental
consistency)
and if you wonder wtf am I talking about, it's probably
because you're in a different browser:
I type it in SeaMonkey which shows it like this:
and you probably see it in FireFox, which shows:
the initial K's are very different, and I was speaking about
it. And yet it has the k I was looking for.
What a weirk k, as if a modified t, which is modified l, and
all l, t, k are linguals, from brightest to h having that
raised k's wave to it's full power, very smooth it is, is it
what it shows us?
Antiqua–Fraktur dispute resulted in quite a surprise: it was
nsdap who standartized Antiqua instead of Fraktur, yet Fraktur
is somehow associated with them. Probably because they left it
in the headlines.
I was looking for such k again, but is it not in unicode?
faihu is wealth in gothic? is gothic truly the origin of
runes, and gothic runes predated this compromising variant,
yet it has some flukes which neither runes nor latin had: B as
upside down R (𐌱) and R even more similar to K (𐍂) with K
pretty much like latin K (𐌺) I cannot help but wonder if they
confused K and R mistransliterating them? Thus getting
the russian story of voiced and voiceless occupying their
halves of the alphabets with K & R breaking the harmony
(as balls of different colour are in the halves of ☯)
But let's reconstruct those halves:
АБВГДЕЁЖЗИЙРЛМНОПКСТУФХЦЧШЩЪЫЬЭЮЯ
gothic shows nothing of the kind:
𐌰𐌱𐌲𐌳𐌴𐌵𐌶𐌷𐌸𐌹𐌺𐌻𐌼𐌽𐌾𐌿𐍀𐍁𐍂𐍃𐍄𐍅𐍆𐍇𐍈𐍉𐍊
unless it reveals that the E-line is added by somebody who
didn't know any of the rules (those who made latin alphabet
knew vowel-labial-linguals thing, but they didn't know
voiced-voiceless rule.
those who standartized the e-line in greek, they didn't know
any of the rules, they were arbitrary, unless they made it
arbitrary by their fanatic urge to place their god instead of
the god of other people.
Semi-illiteration happened in the medieval
times?
No, long before that, before romans it probabbly happened,
or rather romans were that force which eradicated teh
matriarchal cults for good.
well, not for long though, as it seems, they're irredimable,
irradicatable.
Georgian could know it..
აბგდევზთიკლმნოპჟრსტუფქღყშჩცძწჭხჯჰ
and it doesn't really follow the rule, even though the
tendency is there.
is it in our regular latin? maybe the least of them all with
voiceless C:
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
and in it it is chaotic.
So does russia set the trend which europeans oppose? They used
to have C for both K and G, and we also use Д where we read
both Д and Т, so what's our point? They're either voiced or
voiceless in the strong position. Was it so for C?
In latin alphabet I can see the trajectory: it's one necessary
alien in the line of other kind,
especially when you paint y й:
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
it alternates them as
a yin in a yang gang abcd
a yang in a yin gang efgh
a yin in a yang gang ijklmn
a yang in a yin gang opqrst
a yin in a yang gang uvwxyz
and the alien element is never not encircled by the letters of
the group, never at the group's margin.
The alien elements are in the centre of the groups in all
cases but one: k in jklmn is assymetric, though it would be
symmetric, if m was at its place, for example as imjkln (and
though I adore mj, I should mention that it is not the only
way to align k to the centre with m standing right after i (if
j is i, then it would be ijmkln with m reflecting w, with ij
reflecting uv, and even imkn could be the solution
(and let's not forget that in irish and italian they have it
as ilmn)
And georgian doesn't seem to have any structure. The only
structural peculiarity about georgian alphabet I could notice
was that three voiceless letters are in the voiced half and
three voiced letters are in the voiceless realm. Only such
view considers R to be at the right place, it's P which was
insterted between it and O. Was that R labial somehow? Were
first vibration human mouth produced labial? Seems natural,
apes can pronounce it, humans try not to, we consider it a
dirty sound.
OMNI could stand for all forms of letters, both forms of
vowels and both forms of voiced linguals.
And here I see that the alternating pattern is not a
coincidence, and that the third line is a transitionary line,
standing between three-consonants and five-consonant lines.
Now it's only natural to check for patterns in other
alphabets:
א ב ג ד
ה ו ז ח ט
י כ ל מ נ ס
ע פ צ ק ר ש ת
This one looks as if it was voiced in its first part, and
then sonors broke the voiceless consistency.
Does it tell, that sonors were who broke the order? that k
stands at its place, and should have been followed by p? No,
impossible, labial should have followed the vowel.
ΑΒΓΔ
ΕΖΗΘ
ΙΚΛΜΝΞ
ΟΠΡΣΤ
ΥΦΧΨΩ
In greek also sonors break into the body of voiceless, but
why so many voiceless?
If we ignore aphricates Ξ[ks] and Ψ[ps], we have as many
voiceless as we have voiced:
Β Γ Δ Ζ Λ Μ Ν Ρ
Η Θ Κ Π Σ Τ Φ Χ
now let's places them in pairs,
Β Γ Δ Ζ Λ Μ Ν Ρ
Π Κ Τ Σ Χ Φ Η Θ
first four pairs were easy, the other four pairs are
difficult
Isn't Η a vowel in greek? I messed up,
or do I work in some other dialect? For that I should use
the abecedary from that dialect, and I don't have them, I wonder if
anybody can be certain about which syllabary is of which
dialect, maybe up to the modern times when books in those
languages describe them explicitly.
How does this sonor gang look in russian:
АБВГДЄЖЅЗИІКЛМНОПРСТѸФХѠЦЧШЩЪꙐЬѢꙖѤЮѪѬѦѨ
АБВГД
ЄЖЅЗ
ИІКЛМН
ОПРСТ
ѸФХѠЦЧШЩЪꙐЬѢꙖѤЮѪѬѦѨ
И and І were both [i]
didn't they have й? naturally we had. How did we (who we, I
wasn't living back then) write й? Maybe just like й, и with
brevis. And we just included it into the alphabet as a
separate letter when we got a reform so we could recognize it
as a different letter.
is Č short С? ч как s-краткое? х.з, х.з (тем более там не
бревис, а какая-то галочка)
Russian makes it obvious, that the sonors are with other
voiced together, that K and R were just mistaken for one
another. Or! or R being before L gave away the inconvenient
fact that we wrote from right to left. From right? As in
write?
აბგდ
ევზთ
იკლმნ
ოპჟრსტ
უფქღყშჩცძწჭხჯჰ
To my real surprise georgian is just chaotic in this account.
persian:
ا ب پ ت ث ج چ ح خ د
ذ ر ز ژ س ش ص ض ط ظ
ع
غ ف ق ک گ
ل م ن ه و ی
abjad:
أ ب
ج د
ﻩ
و ﺯ ﺡ ﻁ
ﻱ ﻙ ﻝ ﻡ ﻥ ﺱ
ﻉ ﻑ
ص ﻕ ﺭ ﺵ ﺕ ﺙ ﺥ ﺫ ﺽ ﻅ ﻍ
seems rather chaotic, tbh
(but still an instrument to memorize them alphabets)
(I should add such tables for fricative-plosive, and maybe
they alone may define letters well)
a b c d
a b c d
e f g h
e f g h
did people who built this structure break the previous
one?
i j k l m n
i j k l m
n
(but greeks have way more mutilated structure)
o p q r s
t
o p q r s t
(yet they don't seem to build any such structure)
uvw x y
z u v w x y z
(but plosive-fricative is less likely to give anythign:
c and g are both, so is x in completely other way, so not even trying, well I did, it fell flat)
not is "no to"!
(well, hardly in phrases as "not to
argue")
As above so below is how you fill tables
(sheets, spreadsheets)
čš. is czech republic named so because of the čš sounds?
What structure do greeks lay out? (and thinking of whether it
could be fricative, plosive, I thought that)
ΑΒΓΔ (but once again,
is Β v (as today) or b (as is "reconstructed"))
ΕΖΗΘ
(and is Δ d or ð? so plosive-fricative is not the thing)
ΙΚΛΜΝΞ
(especially because it doesn't seem to be
structural either)
ΟΠΡΣΤ
ΥΦΧΨΩ
(so no, not fricative-plosive, not
voiced-voiceless either)
But what if we place Ρ[r] to other plosives?
ΑΒΓΔ
ΕΖΗΘ
ΙΡΛΜΝΞ
ΟΠΚΣΤ
(then ΠΚΤ would reflect ΒΓΔ, and what would it make Σ?
reflection of ð-like side of Δ?)
ΥΦΧΨΩ
(or of Γ if it has
such)
(was Ψ Ч at first? Ч would reflect Т in the
context of ФХ reflecting ПК)
Were AOY the only lines?
Because the other two are way too weird.
ΑΒΓΔ
ΟΠΚΤ
ΥΦΧΨ
???
too speculative (placed K where it is not, threw Σ away,
retransliterated Ψ,
what's the use of such "research"! (well we never know what
sticks,
so I allow every thought to get its chance))
AБВГД
ЕЁЖЗ
ИЙКЛМН
ОПРСТ
УФХЦЧШЩ
ЪЫЬЭЮЯ
but fricative-plosive don't show any structure in this one
either.
I shall keep my eye on that possibility,
but I do not hold my breath.
AБВГД
ЕЁЖЗ
ИЙРЛМН (such
structure would tell that they were writing from right to
left)
ОПКСТ (was Р placed after П,
because in russian right is право)
УФХЦЧШЩ
ЪЫЬЭЮЯ
AБВГДЕЁЖЗИЙКЛМН ОПРСТУФХЦЧШЩЪЫЬЭЮЯ
this is how now the alphabet is broken into lef and right
halves.
or is it
AБВГДЕЁЖЗИЙКЛМНОП РСТУФХЦЧШЩЪЫЬЭЮЯ ?
is it why some people want to remove Ё? to have these halves
equal?
Uniting П with Р would be a nicer equality,
AБВГДЕЁЖЗИЙКЛМНО ПРСТУФХЦЧШЩЪЫЬЭЮЯ ?
This way second half reminds the first one
more,
but O to it would be even better
ЯЮЭЬЫЪЩШЧЦХФУТСКПОНМЛ
РЙИЗЖЁЕДГВБА
would be a way to separate these halves if K & R were
twisted,
and it's hard for me not to want these halves equal, as
..halves.
ПОНМЛ is a nice понимал
ч(цхф) т ск понмл
(бред? скорей всего,
и даже бред способен поведать кое о чём: что им в
понимал is actually ум (им ум?))
умеет ~ имеет (makes sense)
Is 🜂 o, as in 🜂гонь?
Because A could be just 🜁, and that dash as if tells "half
🜂" for o is aa.
what are 🜃 and 🜄 then? 🜄 is probably voda (the opposite of
ogonn it is, but is o the opposite of v?)
🜃 would be a good Земля, as Z has dash usually, but V isn't
Z, is it? well, it was worth a try anyway.
Watching how a guy uses young tree as rope, I immediately
thought of Вяз (both tying and elm)
Elm: a tall deciduous tree
that typically has rough serrated leaves and propagates
from root suckers.
and suckers are exactly what you would want to use as
rope.
pope~rope? religio is I tie back.
Be Do
Fort Go Found Gone?
Me Le (Make Like?)
My Lie? Lie~nei!?
Пи Ти (пипи~писи, тити~тити)
а си и фы (𐌔𐌚) были
затабуетны чтоли?
метод свободных
ассоциаций, не знаю насколько он здесь применим
пить и тить! тёти=тити (гласная после е is i? ё с точками, как
и i (единственные буквы с точками в каждом из языков (но в
немецком таких больше.. а, o, u, and with i and ё they're
whole set.)))
a e i o u ä ё ї ö ü reminds russian а э ы о у я е и ё ю (but
does it only remain?
пить и поить..
петь и поёт.. это ближайшее подобное, и то не точно такое же
преть и преет тоже близко
греть и греет.. но удвоение это не то. здесь вторая е после
встаёт, а там перед ней вставало
(но правда ли, что в
преет и греет суффикс ет, а не суффикс т, и интерфикс е
(перед тем е)?)
в даёт же явно суффикс с ё, ибо да от давать.. но не
коренная ли в там? но в "дай" же её нет?
но может дай это сокращённая форма от давай (give has that
v also)
give ~ давай
и go ~ иди
это, конечно, мощная пара, демонстрирует что g это
и g и д
(ид ~ g was quite a thing in the beginning of this
journey. Why would I forget it, negleted it)
что гласная пред слогом обращает его, и графически это мол
как-то
пьё́т и по́ит (дифтонг переворачивается)
но почему льёт-то не создаёт ло́ит?
пьёт и льёт антонимы, а графически похожи (но антонимы ли?)
п и л оба с водой через эти корни связаны (но лужа.. от льёт!
рожа ржёт? реет? ревёт?)
Всё пытаюсь понять смысл букв..
Я показываю, что алфавит можно не только запоминать, но и
понимать, но ещё не показал полностью, занимаюсь этим, пытаясь
понять их.
пей лей (й=you (y in trainspotting by welsh, y as opposing to
ah (which is interesting because y is ye, and thus ye and ah
reflect eachother moth semantically and graphically)))
пил лил (ил = il = он? но и я пил, и ты пил (л это суффикс
ПРОШЕДШЕГО времени))
пью лью (ью, очевидно йя (я))
мя (меня) не имеет ли семитский префикс
места м? (тогда "меня" говорит,
что я=еня=аниHE(я))
а тебя тогда что? бя от вы? (если бы я знал ивритские
суффиксы, было бы о чём говорить, а так..)
у англичан л перед глаголом переводит его в
будущее время,
а у русских л после глагола переводит его в прошедшее.
давай предположим, что эти л - le, это, междометия..
в английском will is воля, но может она от we'll (по смыслу
подходит) и тогда воля происходит от will с силлабизацией это
л до ля, как делал в женском роду делала
(женское более архаичное? если алфавит
происходит из слогов (а ооочень похоже) то да)
b d
p q
bq ~ b c
pd ~ b d pd ~ p t
I wonder if
b d
p q
is some basic form of alphabet
Because their shapes reflect their sound: voiced have the
sticks up, voiceless have the sticks down;
labial have bubbles at the right, linguals
have bubbles at the left
g would break it in the sense of being voiced and
having the "stick" down.
But g reflects Б,
which could be indicating it's rudimentary status, thus as
b's too:
Б g as yin and yang,
p as small yin?
q as small yan?
if letters are read left to right, then direction of the
belly matters, thus labials are left (first) shape:
Yin and yang (in such direction sequence
we know it)
Looking at the shapes of letters, I can imagine (or rather
reconstruct) the following
: sequence of development
1 first we found labial and linguals (because they're both
voiced)
Б g
2 then we recognized voiced from voiceless:
b d
p q
did g become д for that? hebrew cursive ד
(looks like 3 with loop in the centre) and þ tell
..what direction?
Some undiscovered link between those two letters, btw.
In cree
ᑲ ka ᑫ ke ᑭ ki ᑯ
ko
(the sequence of vowels the same as ours, but that could be
missionary ordering)
ka ko
ki ke (their shapes have unpalatalized syllables
depicted by upwards "sticks" of the signs,
and palatalized by downward "schticks")
It is interesting, how -a syllable shares the position with b
(both are first, and what places that fish (flowing
counter-clockwise, btw) in the initial position?
The ordering ᑲ ᑫ ᑭ ᑯ makes them two ࿊'s (one is kake, other is
kiko (kiko is clockwise))
ᓇ na ᓀ ne ᓂ ni ᓄ
no
The order also makes them two ࿊'s (one is nane, other is nino
(nane is clockwise))
I guess to make sense out of those syllables one must know
cree language as well, but it made me think of бg as
of a word, and naturally it's бог, but bog is a disgusting
word in english, how could slavic name for god be in the basis
of it? Did europeans add a and д to it to get abe god?
Both a and д are "clockwise" "fish"
(if you see at letters in the context of ࿊, it gives them an
additional depth)
Both б and g are counter clockwise, and is
russian god a boogy?
just because the fish rolls
counterclockwise
a and д may be a later aдdition, but both roll
clockwise. are e and p the other part of that story?
ea pд and pд looks
like род
(не менее мощное слово в славянском язычестве, чем бог,
и, быть может, род есть когната слова god)
и р-д как первослово перекликается с anecdotal
evidence by одной бабки (училки иврита)
которая сказала, что все буквы произошли от ר, как ב от בראשית, сначала.
но почему р[r] стала p[p]? типа род это
под? под полом? знаю, что какие-то племена зарывали трупы
предков в подвалах, но насколько распространённой была такая
традиция не понятно.
Considering how бg are counterclockwise and рд are
clockwise, I can only ask:
is бogbad? is рoдgood?
рад~glad
бugged~бука?
is ea yeah?
is pd pot? pod как эвфемизм для косяка?
стручок~торчок? speculations, speculations
is бог bug? the 𓆣 (interesting, that 𓆣
is scarab in both SeaMonkey and FireFox (many egyptian
hieroglyphs are messed up in one or the other (I rely on
FireFox way to read it, as it's used more often, but then
what do I know?)))
Graphic complexity of my work tells me to stick to pdf
format, because it's the golden middle between hitml and png
are bog and bug related? (that bug rolls feces, so probably)
vying ~ соперничающий
vie [vʌɪ] ~ соперничать (etymologized
to envy, though envy is of vie (жиза~жи́ла(жадно~жря)))
is vie a cognate of foe?
a b c
d
e f g
h
i j k l m n (does italian&irish
ILMN expose M as voiceless? усмешка (резкий выдох через нос))
o p q r s
t
u v w x y z
They say, c used to be voiced.
was the sequence other,
was it..
a b c d
e f ? h
i j r l m n
o p q-k s t
a b c d
e f h θ (nice voiceless
fricative counterpart of teh previous line full of voiced
plosives)
i j r l m n (начиная с
итало-ирландского варианта, i rl m n мы вновь получаем i m n lr)
o p q-k s t (o p q t would make
a badass voicelss plosive pair to first and second line)
and because
bd
pq was square (was or would be? could be)
I suspect ..wait for it
bc
ɔq
to be another way to represent it, T&B as To Be, the
simplest of all verbs.
Be: aM aRe iS, or, rather, Are aM iS (am and is are very
similar to the names of the letters: em & es)
(so is letter R is named something very similar to "are" (R
for vowel reminds of ऋ))
..I suspect
a b c (a b g, but then g is д in
russian, so a b d opposes o p q)
? ? ?
o p q
to be something of a next level after that, also quadratic,
especially because 9 was the basis of previous numeral system.
But how ancient is that "previous"?
I was thinking the other day of letters of alphabet being used
by their numeral position, not to traditionally
(kabbalistically) attributed number.
a b d
? ? ? were there texts with only two or three letters?
o p q
this shape definitely links bdpq to the alphabet as we know
it, but it's purely speculative, no factual evidence to
support it ever existing.
art ~ hard (не каждый способен сделать, а
повторить вовсе едва ли возможно)
gratefullness is grace is greatness
father'c?
templar?
F U Th A R K H N I A S
T B M L ʀ
ᚠ ᚢ ᚦ ᚬ ᚱ ᚴ ᛬
ᚼ ᚾ ᛁ
ᛅ ᛋ ᛬ ᛐ ᛒ ᛘ ᛚ ᛦ
ᛦ is yiw(translation) yr(name) [ʀ (non-english r-sound)]
Thinking of F U Th A R
K H N I A
S T B M L ʀ
in the context of Norns, Urþ, and looking for it I found an
interesting site, which indexed old english orthography, and
it gives all sorts of variative spelling of eorþe the Earth:
Wearp ða wundelmæl [read wundenmæl]..þæt
hit on eorðan læg, stið ond stylecg.
Beowulf (2008) 1532
c1175
Forr he [sc. Herod] warrþ seoc. & he
bigann To rotenn bufenn eorþe.
Ormulum (Burchfield transcript) l.
8074 c1300
[Þ]e neddre..ne may on herþe
glide. Evangelie
(Dulwich College MS.) 106 in Publications of Modern Language
Association of America (1915) vol. 30 551 (Middle English
Dictionary) c1450 (c1400)
He felle down in sowenynge, To þe yrþe
was he dyght. Emaré
(1908) l. 285 (Middle English Dictionary) 1487 (a1380)
The Kyng..Wes laid at
Erd. J. Barbour, Bruce
(St. John's Cambridge MS.) iv. 284
So is urþ earth? then beldandi is moon, for second aet is sån
the son sun, it shain, shine!
is TBMLʀ belle Marta?
is HNIAS Shian Son Sun.
is FUTHARK Father?
Father Son Mother!
Fþr San MTʀ and aint' them my 9?
Fþr reminds MTʀ (they're pa and ma)
Son would be mor in line with others as oSn, but it's not ,
and why do I equate labial and vowel?
both are ו.
(vav of hebrew)
T R (terra)
M (mother)
and they probably added BL for some мама-бля range or
patriarchal smear.
it was M and T, two protoletters, but greek myth tells of B
and T
(and jewish myth tells of M and S, but
isn't ת both)
S A
S I
N
or is it N
? (ha or hi is added (satan laughs at us?))
F ð
R
(and U, A and K are added to it fUðer or
fAðer? what is k, though? )
in futhark of bureus there was no k in first aet (but then
there also was not s in the second aet)
now first aet reminds father more, but the second one is some
кухня now.
thirs aet is STBLM.. St as saint and blm as black lives
matter?
not
and only now I notice that Bureus gave the names to the runes,
they didn't have to reconstruct them. But now they
reconstructed them otherwise. Why?
ᚴᚼᚾᛁᛅ is кохания кохання (love)
love is ፍቅር[fikir] in amharic, and it
is difficult not to see fucker in it, a noun of the verb
fuck.
if romance is loving, isn't Rome Love?
ᛓ(ᛒ) is another candidate for the first letter in ᚠᚢᚦᚮᚱᚴ
STUV could be stav as the basis of the alphabet, and didn't it
demand some W or X or Z to palance it around the vowel? Was it
tov ih in hebrew?
STUVZ (stavs? nice though, let's play around it to see it)
B D E F C (here I had to improvize,
growing it from bottom up, it's the best I could do)
G H I K L
M N O P R (and only L next to R makes it
sweeter)
S T U V Z
C L
R Z
F K
P V
this way K again stands where M should have
E I
O U
D H N
T
В G M
S But B would also be between G K S, thus
C D E F was se s the sea sequence,
just as STUV
but then come on, STUV is reflecting the CDEF in the
actual english alphabet.
no need to make up shit.
yet I gave it a couple of other tries
C L
R Z
F M
P V
E I
O U
D H N
T
Q? G K S
this has nothing to do
with actual alphabet, I just got scrumbled into it.
H?
(yeah, scrumbled. how many such non-words
are in there..)
θ?
C L R
Z
F M
P V
E I
O U
D θ N
T
H G K S
if al in alphabet the article, then ᚠᚢᚦ are the f v t of
alfavit
thinking of how f and t reflect eachother, both being
voiceless, and how the sequence needs voiced pair to t, I
think of Λ being a perfect voieced pair to t (l to t) and Λ
reflects V as good as t reflects f.
L and Г remind me of how г is read as в[v] in russian, but
that's too much of a pull.
and isn't it ΛfVt? (Λ is both (Ʌ)A and (Λ)L)
Λ(Λ) being both L and
A (ΛΑΔ = peace (лад))
reflects V being both V and U (VUYν = wars (ν[n] as u~n,
(войн))
В контексте того, что Абе отец, Футар футарка тоже может
означать отца,
и в контексте того, что нидерландский алфавит начинается как а
бей
Abei Otu as obey отцу смущает меня тем, что половина на
английском, половина на русском, но может столь древная
лексика, что одна часть её сохранилась в одном языке, а вторая
в другом.
AbeiOtu are the letters they had in the
first set of the protoalphabet (according to accaunt of Hyginus)
Thus, before they introduced A, it was бей отцу (BEIOTU, BEI
OTU (трёхкоренные как в иврите, как в норманском)) заклинание,
которое мать могла применить против мужа, засаммонив сыновей.
Не потому ли сатурн их маленькими пожирал? BEI OTU would be
(slavik, ho oh (oh ho)) бейте отца (отцу потому что
дательный падеж уместней, "отца" уже фонетическая вариация
модная) но такое заклинание all in может означать и убейте
отца, что Юпитер-Зевс и сделал.
Ю-father (IO-father (father of IO? как сегодня есть
богоматерь, так раньше был богинеотец?))
But no (as I subconsciously подсказывал сознанию) Ю-питер is
Io's daddy, but not in that sense:
In Greek mythology, Io (/ˈaɪ.oʊ/; Ancient
Greek: Ἰώ [iːɔ̌ː]) was one of the mortal lovers of Zeus. An
Argive princess, she was an ancestor of many kings and
heroes, such as Perseus, Cadmus, Heracles, Minos, Lynceus,
Cepheus, and Danaus.
Because her brother was Phoroneus, Io is also known as
Phoronis (an adjective form of Phoroneus: "Phoronean").[1]
She was sometimes compared to the Egyptian goddess Isis,
whereas her Egyptian husband Telegonus was Osiris.[2][3]
According to some stories, Zeus then turned Io into a heifer
in order to hide her from his wife;[5] others maintain that
Hera herself transformed Io.[14][15] In the version of the
story in which Zeus transformed Io, the deception failed,
and Hera begged Zeus to give her the heifer as a present,
which, having no reason to refuse, he did. Pitying the
unfortunate girl, Gaia, the goddess of the earth, created
the violet (Ancient Greek: ἴον, romanized: ion), so the cow
could eat, thus growing "from her from whom it has its
name", based on incorrect folk etymology. The various
colours of the violet (red, purple, white) changed on
account of Io's life, red for the blushing maiden, purple
for the cow, white for the stars.[16][17][18]
In order to exact her revenge, Hera sent a gadfly to sting
Io continuously, driving her to wander the world without
rest. Io eventually crossed the path between the Propontis
and the Black Sea, which thus acquired the name Bosporus
(meaning ox passage), where she met Prometheus, who had been
chained on Mt. Caucasus by Zeus. Prometheus comforted Io
with the information that she would be restored to human
form and become the ancestress of the greatest of all
heroes, Heracles (Hercules). Io escaped across the Ionian
Sea to Egypt, where she was restored to human form by Zeus.
There, she gave birth to Zeus's son Epaphus, and a daughter
as well, Keroessa. She later married Egyptian king
Telegonus. Their grandson, Danaus, eventually returned to
Greece with his fifty daughters (the Danaids), as recalled
in Aeschylus' play The Suppliants.
Epaphus was the son of Zeus[3] and Io[4] and thus,
Ceroessa's brother.[5] With his wife, Memphis[6] (or
according to others, Cassiopeia[7]), he had one daughter,
Libya
It's as if a geography lesson, as if a story of how
Libya was built by Memphis or something, and this wild guess
can be supported by the story of his sister:
In Greek mythology, Ceroessa (Ancient Greek:
Κερόεσσα Keroessa means "the horned") was a heroine of the
foundational myth of Byzantium. She was the daughter of Io
and Zeus; elder sister of Epaphus; and mother of Byzas,
founder of Byzantium, with her uncle, Poseidon.[1][2]
and about himself later on:
Epaphus was the ancestor of the "dark Libyans,
and high-souled Aethiopians, and the Underground-folk and
feeble Pygmies".
In one account, Epaphus had a son,
Dorus, who fathered Pygmaeus, ancestor of the Pygmies.[10]
Otherwise, this tribe of diminutive men was instead born
from Epaphus and Gaea (Earth).[11]
Epaphus is regarded in the myths as the founder of Memphis,
Egypt.[18]
David Rohl identifies Epaphus with the Hyksos pharaoh
Apophis.[21]
and some of those names are rather toponymic:
In Greek mythology, Aegyptus or Ægyptus
(/ɪˈdʒɪptəs/; Ancient Greek: Αἴγυπτος) was a legendary king
of ancient Egypt.[1] He was a descendant of the princess Io
through his father Belus, and of the river-god Nilus as both the father of Achiroe, his mother
and as a great, great-grandfather on his father's side.
For modern scholars, Inachus is the most ancient god or hero of
Argos.[5] Various ancient authors describe Inachus as
being one of the river gods born of Titans Oceanus and
Tethys,[6] and thus to the Greeks, was part of the
pre-Olympian or "Pelasgian" mythic landscape.[citation needed] In Greek iconography,
Walter Burkert notes,[7] the rivers are represented in the
form of a bull with a human head or face. Although these
myths have been passed down since then, one of the most
remarkable findings of modern archaeology was the
monuments and remains showing that Argos had
indeed been an ancient civilization alongside Egypt and
Babylonia.[8]
some knowledge I took from pi.ai:
Enki, the god of water, was particularly
associated with writing and knowledge in Babylonian
mythology.
According to some accounts, Enki was the god who created
writing, and he was often depicted as the patron of scribes
and scholars. He was also associated with the creation of
the first laws and with the establishment of civilization.
In addition to Enki, the goddess Nisaba, who was not one of
the Anunnaki but was associated with them, was also a
goddess of writing and knowledge in Babylonian mythology.
and here I looked her up:
Nisaba was the Mesopotamian goddess of writing and grain.
She is one of the oldest Sumerian deities attested in
writing,[7] and remained prominent through many periods of
Mesopotamian history. She was commonly worshiped by scribes,
and numerous Sumerian texts end with the doxology "praise to
Nisaba" as a result. She declined after the Old Babylonian
period due to the rise of the new scribe god, Nabu, though
she did not fully vanish from Mesopotamian religion and
attestations from as late as the neo-Babylonian period are
known.
and it is an explicit evidence of patriarchal takeover.
(I'm yet to find a single example of male cult being
overthrown by female cult. Mother Mary is nowhere near as
dominant, but good try, I guess)
> Do you know of male deities replacing female deities?
There are some examples in mythology of male deities taking
over roles that were previously associated with female
deities. This process is known as "theologization," and it
was a common feature of many ancient cultures.
For example, in Greek mythology, Zeus was originally
associated with the sky and the weather, but he eventually
came to take on many of the attributes of the earlier
goddess of the sky, Ouranos.
In Norse mythology, Odin took on many of the attributes of
the earlier goddess Freyja, who was associated with magic,
wisdom, and war.
some others?
There are a number of other examples of male deities taking
on the roles of female deities in mythology. Here are a few:
In Mesopotamian mythology, the god Marduk
took on many of the attributes of the earlier goddess
Tiamat, who was associated with the primordial chaos.
In Hindu mythology, the god Brahma took
on many of the attributes of the earlier goddess Saraswati,
who was associated with knowledge and learning.
> are there more?
Yes, there are many more examples of male deities taking on
the roles of female deities in mythology. Here are a few
more:
In Egyptian mythology, the god Osiris
took on many of the attributes of the earlier goddess Isis,
who was associated with magic and healing.
In Celtic mythology, the god Cernunnos
took on many of the attributes of the earlier goddess of the
underworld, Morrigan.
In Japanese mythology, the god Izanagi
took on many of the attributes of the earlier goddess
Izanami, who was associated with the creation of the world.
> And do you know of some reverse process, that a
goddess would take over god's position?
There are a few examples in mythology of goddesses taking on
the roles of male deities. This process is less common than
the reverse, but it did occur in some cultures.
One example is the goddess Inanna in Sumerian mythology, who
took on many of the attributes of the earlier god Enki,
including wisdom and knowledge.
Another example is the goddess Athena in Greek mythology,
who took on many of the attributes of the earlier god Ares,
including war and wisdom.
> are there more?
Yes, there are a few other examples of goddesses taking on
the roles of male deities in mythology. Here are a few more:
In Norse mythology, the goddess Frigg
took on many of the attributes of the earlier god Odin,
including wisdom and magic.
In Hindu mythology, the goddess Saraswati
took on many of the attributes of the earlier god Brahma,
including knowledge and learning.
In Mesopotamian mythology, the goddess
Ishtar took on many of the attributes of the earlier god
Marduk, including rulership and authority.
> and how more often was which way?
Overall, the process of male deities taking on
the roles of female deities (theologization) was more common
in ancient mythology than the reverse.
This is likely due to a variety of factors, including the
historical context of these mythologies and the social and
cultural values of the societies that produced them. In many
ancient societies, men were seen as more powerful and
authoritative than women, and this may have influenced the
way that the gods and goddesses were portrayed in mythology.
> how more often? 5 to 1 or what?
It's difficult to give an exact ratio for the prevalence of
male deities taking on the roles of female deities versus
the reverse, as the process of theologization varied across
different cultures and mythologies.
However, it is generally true that the process of male
deities taking on the roles of female deities was more
common than the reverse. This can be seen in the fact that
many of the most powerful and authoritative deities in
ancient mythology (such as Zeus in Greek mythology and Odin
in Norse mythology) were male deities who had taken on the
roles of earlier female deities.
> give me an approximate ratio, please
Okay, here is an approximate ratio based on the information
I have:
Male deities taking on the roles of female deities: 80%
Female deities taking on the roles of male deities: 20%
This ratio is just an estimate, based on the information I
have available. It may vary depending on the specific
culture and mythology being considered.
ухудшается значит становится уже: хуже от худой, а худой ещё и
тонкий,
истончается
улучшается тогда значит утолщается?
лучше и толще делят последовательность звуков лщ
толще ~ to лучше
ле́ще ~ лестнее?
блещу от этих же лщ?
синоним слова толстый это добрый, а добрый антоним слова худой
для одних худ, для других goed (and it began long-overdue divine
antonymy html)
создавать от давать (c себя давать (из себя давать (создать ~
созидать (съ Zeus давать))))
союз давать? человека с богом? пред скульптурой которого
(созданной) жертвы приносились?
create has c of co with it, which suports the idea that c is
the "with" and not "off"
How did it happen that in russian с (a one letter word) has
two different meanings: with and off.
(and both can be seen as וθ)
(a doesn't turn into an before w of one and y of universe)
Aa Bb Cc
Dd
Ee Ff Gg
Hh
Ii Jj
Kk Ll Mm
Nn
Oo Pp Qq
Rr Ss
Tt
Uu Vv Ww
Xx Yy Zz
MN are the central letters, as if Man is in the centre of it
all (M is known as the Middle letter, here we have it not
alone in that position)
Ineresting, that we single out M and N, that cetre separates
12 letters before it from the 12 from after it.
the three lines of four
from
the two lines of six
Is that central position what made M leave its place?
Naturally, if it is famous for being the middle letter, the מ
of אמש, then it moved accordingly with the quantity of the
overall set.
But it is interesting, that hebrew doesn't have מ in the
centre:
א ב ג ד ה ו ז ח ט י כ ל מ נ ס
ע פ צ ק ר ש ת
though lmn as the beginning of the second half of the alphabet
is also famous.
and others..
ΑΒΓΔΕΖΗΘΙΚΛΜ ΝΞΟΠΡΣΤΥΦΧΨΩ
disagreeing on many things, greek and latin agree on the
middle letters.
and russians are weird:
АБВГДЕЁЖЗИЙКЛМНО П
РСТУФХЦЧШЩЪЫЬЭЮЯ
27 in that line would make M the midlle letter, but alas (or
who knows maybe not) they have 33
27 is the numerologically justified number (justified by the
numeral system used at the time)
27 is how many letters there are before ЪЫЬЭЮЯ
georgian has their R in the centre:
ა ბ გ დ ე ვ ზ თ ი კ ლ მ ნ ო პ ჟ
რ ს ტ უ ფ ქ ღ ყ შ ჩ ც ძ წ ჭ ხ ჯ ჰ
And Italian is the alphabet in which M is indeed the very
Middle.
ABCDEFGHIL M NOPQRSTUVZ
I think I spoke about it before, and
that is my trip-report on lion's mane mushroom: it (even in
tiny dozes) seems to do something with brain so that it's
less susseptible to cannabis (but I tried it earlier, and
that anti-psychotic, if you wish, effect passes after few
days)
Мухамор is reported to have anti-alcoholic effect (people
didn't feel like drinkng after they took it)
Hypothetic legendary 15-letter alphabet of Carmenta would also
have M in the central position:
A B D
E F Г
I M Λ
O П Т
U 𐌚 S
would have A M S as the first, the middle and the last
letters
and thinking of how 𐌚 seems to be primal to S, for it can
also be halved as 𐌔,
I recognized linguals as halves of the labials,
and it gave me understanding of labials being double, for
they need two lips,
while what I recognize as linguals are satisfied by one.
And in this light (becomes obvious when you pronounce them)
it's not M Λ, but m n
A B D
E F Г
I m n
O П Т
U 𐌚 S
Are they the same thing from different tribes?
What empire have combined them into one system?
Was there indeed only three letters at the start?
labial sound for females,
lingual sound for males,
and speaker would count them with clicks of lips or tongue,
and the quantity of the clicks denote the number
Triskelion depicts three planes interwoven securely:
We russians freely
download stuff. Doesn't it make us morally unfit to ask
pay for our own product. Do we have much of it? No, much
less than some americans whose cultural product even we
ourselves consume more. But me myself, I do alright, yet
would it be honest for me to ask pay for my own stuff if I
watch others? Well, I guess I will only sell paper books
and I will accept donations from those who read my stuff
online.
Such triskelion is also a cube:
and I also found there this:
The Triskele or Triskelion is a symbol
that consists of three interlocked spirals. It is one of the
oldest Irish Celtic symbols in existence, and is best known
to represent the three worlds; the celestial, physical, and
spiritual.
It is also said to symbolize the connection between the
three domains namely the earth, water, and sky.
The Triskele often represents triplicity or the concept of
three-in-one. It can be associated with various trinities or
triads, such as life-death-rebirth, earth-water-sky, or
past-present-future. This symbolism reflects the
interconnectedness of these aspects of existence.
The spirals in the Triskele may symbolize cycles, movement,
and perpetual motion. This can relate to the cycles of
nature, the changing seasons, and the eternal flow of time.
The Triskele, with its three interlocked spirals or bent
legs, is known by various names and may be referred to
differently in different cultures or contexts. Some other
names for the Triskele or similar symbols include:
Triple
Spiral
Triple Helix
Triskelion (as mentioned
earlier)
Triple Horn of Odin – In
Norse mythology, this symbol represents Odin’s three
draughts from the Well of Wisdom, which gave him knowledge
and wisdom.
Spiral of Life –
Referring to the cyclical and interconnected nature of
life and existence.
Threefold Sun – In some
contexts, it’s seen as a representation of the sun and its
three aspects – sunrise, zenith, and sunset.
Triple Goddess Symbol –
In neopagan and Wiccan traditions, the Triskele can
represent the triple aspects of the Goddess (Maiden,
Mother, Crone).
and cube can meet triskele in its siplest paper representation
of it:
(she made that cube ballsy, but it can
be more cubic, when the length of the strip is four times
its width)
they call it triskele cube, and by it's
side is what they call triskele ball:
and another one, also using the triskele-like shapes, and who
knows how ancient that design could be:
A B C б g
♂ ♀
boy girl
(but when I thought of it before pronouncing b and labial d
(sounding two lips and one lip) I heard b and баба and d как
дядя (видимо, наподобии божественной антонимии, мужской и
женский у разных народов антонимично: как в грузинском
мама[deda(დედა)] а папа(daddy)[mama(მამა)]
And papa could be of that mama tradition, via baba[daddy] of
other people of the region. Russians know baba as grandmother,
mama as mother, and v for virgin is the third M (and how
mighty is BMW)
in russian it is БМВ(BMV) and touareg is my first car, but
it's VW, like V is public's BM, ruede post-t.
Suddenly here I realize that ogham makes more sense being
horizontal, as unicode luckily has it, for up and down are
more easily distinguished than left and right. And B being ᚁ
only makes sense if that line separates the two lips, but then
it would make more sense as vertical (as people teach it is)
and then ᚂ is space above the tongue and below the tongue.
But if that was what they were, then wouldn't ᚁ and ᚂ be equal
to ᚆ and ᚇ? if they went vertically, being turned 90°
l and d being the same thing is easy to imagine, I wonder if
that c is glagolitic t of д and л.
s~t is not something new, ת is pretty much that.
b and h make sense only in japanese kana, yet also in this
one, and they look too alike.
boy ~ hoy (хуй)
big ~ hick?
бог ~ hog?
bear ~ hear? (does it tell not
to pronounce his name not to call him?)
bug ~ hug? see, they're random words, so no systemic
correlation can be seen between them.
ball hall? no, хуй as a boy is the only
pair somewhat working there.
but then there is cockney slang using rhymes a lot, so
boy could be an euphemism for хуй
Were ᚃ and ᚈ depicting nostrils (carving out the boundaries
between and around them)
were they f and t or n and t?
f and t make sense graphically being the same way inverted
n and t would make more sense in the light of phonetic
similarity, similar to the one of l and d
would it make n voiceless l? it isn't.
Could wish of some early researcher to link the similarity of
f and t to ᚃ and ᚈ retransliterated ᚃ as f
+instead of n? or were both v and ν?
ᚃ would make much better т(т) which may tell that
people didn't really distinguish between ᚃ and ᚈ at the
beginning of the system.
(here I returned to the part which made
more sense)
is it
A B C б g
♂ ♀
boy girl
or is it
A B C
β δ
♀ ♂ as I initially
thought, and is it all some geographic antonymy?
баба дядя
ethnic antonymy?
культуры слившись воедино разрушили
структуры
dialectal antonymy?
предыдущих культур, как одной так и второй
(но в осколках культур общая картины, быть может, проявляется)
argue
agree
agr the acd? eastern order is agreeing, european (aqr,
actually; and agr too;
and agree is an european word)
argue shares rg with ругать (и rogue, возможно; я об этом
говорил; значит что-то интересное? mb)
such punctuative style I like way less, it's makes it more difficult without
reason,
agree
~
acdee
left(L~Г) right
sinister(C~S) dexter
rogue нарушает порядок (правопорядок (порядок правой стороны))
what was right (right here) is left. (почему англичане и к ним
примкнувшие слева едут?)
потому что бараны не могли друг другу
уступить
это игры иерархий, каждая отстаивает доминирование
Либо это могло пойти от традиции ходить по другой стороне на
островах
для чего?
Не, скорей всего это от бодания англичан с фрацузами пошло.
Подъём германии был на руку англичанам?
Было ли бодание за статус английского и французского языков
в канаде в двадцатом веке?
Исходя из вышеуказанных данных, можно
заключить, что Канада скорее англоязычная, несмотря на то,
что с 1982 года ее считают двуязычной страной.
1969 : Принят первый федеральный Закон об официальных
языках, объявляющий английский и французский языки двумя
официальными языками Канады. 1982: Принята Канадская
хартия прав и свобод, и теперь языковые права усилены.
На официальном сайте Канады нет записей по
этому поводу между 1867 и 1962 нет
> How did two world wars influence the status of french
language in Canada?
The two world wars had a significant impact on
French language and culture in Canada. Here are a few points
to consider:
French Canadians were generally opposed
to Canadian participation in World War I, leading to the
1917 Conscription Crisis. This caused tension between French
and English Canadians.
During World War II, many French-speaking
Canadians were integrated into English-speaking military
units, leading to a decline in the use of French in the
military.
After World War II, there was a large
influx of immigrants to Canada who spoke neither French nor
English, which further diluted the French language and
culture in Canada.
These events led to a growing sense of
alienation and frustration among French Canadians, which
contributed to the rise of the Quebec sovereignty movement
in the 1960s and 1970s.
> Did french government push Canada to accept french as a
state language?
Yes, the French government has been a strong
advocate for the protection and promotion of the French
language in Canada. Here are some examples:
In the 1960s and 1970s, the French
government provided financial and diplomatic support to the
Quebec sovereignty movement, which sought to protect and
promote the French language and culture in Quebec.
In the 1980s, the French government
helped to negotiate the Meech Lake Accord, which recognized
Quebec as a "distinct society" within Canada and included
provisions to protect the French language and culture.
In the 1990s, the French government
played a key role in the creation of the Francophonie, an
international organization of French-speaking countries that
promotes the French language and culture around the world.
In recent years, the French government
has continued to advocate for the protection and promotion
of the French language in Canada, including through
diplomatic efforts and support for French-language education
and cultural programs.
> Did they do it earlier?
Yes, the French government has been involved
in advocating for the French language and culture in Canada
since the 19th century. Here are some examples of earlier
efforts:
In the late 19th century, the French
government established the Alliance Française, a cultural
organization that promoted the French language and culture
around the world, including in Canada.
In the early 20th century, the French
government provided financial support to French-language
schools and cultural organizations in Canada.
During World War I, the French government
lobbied the Canadian government to recognize the rights of
French Canadians and to allow for the use of the French
language in the military.
In the interwar period, the French
government continued to support French-language education
and cultural initiatives in Canada, and also advocated for
the protection of French language rights in international
forums such as the League of Nations.
> And during ww2?
During World War II, the French government's
ability to advocate for the French language and culture in
Canada was limited due to the German occupation of France
and the Vichy government's collaboration with the Nazis.
However, there were still some efforts made to support the
French language and culture in Canada during this period:
The Free French government-in-exile, led
by Charles de Gaulle, continued to advocate for the
protection of French language and culture in Canada,
including through diplomatic efforts and support for
French-language education.
French-speaking Canadian soldiers were
allowed to use French in communication and training within
their units, although this was not always enforced
consistently.
The Catholic Church, which was an
important cultural institution for French Canadians,
continued to provide French-language education and services
during the war.
Despite these efforts, the war had a generally negative
impact on the status of French language and culture in
Canada, as French Canadians were integrated into
English-speaking military units and the influx of immigrants
after the war further diluted the French language and
culture.
> Did Brittish government influence the language status in
Canada?
Absolutely! The British government has played
a significant role in shaping the language status in Canada
throughout its history. Here are some examples:
After the British conquest of New France
in 1763, the British government implemented policies to
assimilate the French-speaking population into British
culture, including the promotion of English language
education and the restriction of French language rights.
In the 19th century, the British
government supported the expansion of English-language
settlement in Canada, leading to the marginalization of
French language and culture in many parts of the country.
In the early 20th century, the British
government continued to promote the use of English in
Canada, including through immigration policies that favored
English-speaking immigrants.
Despite these efforts, French language
and culture persisted in Quebec and other parts of Canada,
leading to ongoing debates and conflicts over language
rights and status.
In recent decades, the British government
has generally supported bilingualism and multiculturalism in
Canada, recognizing the importance of respecting the rights
of all language communities in the country.
> And Americans?
The United States has also played a role in
influencing language policy in Canada, particularly in the
20th century. Here are some examples:
During World War II, the US government
supported the integration of French-speaking Canadians into
English-speaking military units, contributing to the decline
of French language use in the military.
In the post-war period, American cultural
influence in Canada increased through the growth of American
media, entertainment, and consumer products, which often
favored the English language.
In the 1960s and 1970s, the US government
provided diplomatic and financial support to the Quebec
sovereignty movement, which sought greater autonomy and
protection for the French language and culture in Quebec.
In recent years, the US government has
generally supported bilingualism and multiculturalism in
Canada, recognizing the importance of respecting the rights
of all language communities in the country.
However, some American companies and
organizations have been criticized for failing to provide
adequate French-language services and products in Canada,
which has led to ongoing debates over language rights and
access.
> Did russian, mexican or whatever other government
influence the process?
While the governments of Russia, Mexico, and
other countries may not have had as significant an impact on
language policy in Canada as the British, French, and
American governments, there have been instances where other
countries have sought to influence language policies and
practices in Canada. For example:
During the Cold War, the Soviet Union
provided support to communist and socialist movements in
Canada, some of which advocated for greater recognition of
minority language rights, including French language rights.
In recent years, some Latin American
countries have advocated for greater recognition of Spanish
as a language of communication and commerce in Canada,
particularly in areas with large Spanish-speaking
populations such as Toronto and Vancouver.
Some immigrant and refugee communities in
Canada, such as those from Arabic-speaking countries, have
also advocated for greater recognition and support for their
languages and cultures in Canadian society.
Indigenous language communities in Canada
have also sought greater recognition and support for their
languages and cultures, including through advocacy for
official language status and funding for language
revitalization programs.
It is a language-related topic, but it doesn't really belong
here, yet, here we are.
It could be a ground to see how structures of one language may
be corroded by the interaction with the other one, but then
what structure is there in languages now? They're all rather
messy. At least these languages, popular languages, not
isolated languages.
And here I realize the importance of preservation of local
cultures. But rather I should fund the research of their myths
about creation of language and writing (whatever they have in
stead of writing)
> Do you know legends about creation of language from some
isolated cultures such as piraha?
While the Pirahã people do have their own
language, I haven't come across any legends or stories from
the Pirahã about the creation of language. In fact, the
Pirahã language has been the subject of much academic
debate, with some linguists claiming that it lacks certain
features that are thought to be universal in human language.
It's worth noting that the Pirahã people have a unique
cultural perspective that emphasizes personal experience and
direct observation, and they do not have a tradition of
passing on stories or legends from one generation to the
next. As a result, their language and culture may not fit
neatly into Western notions of what language and
storytelling should look like.
> And do you know such legends from some other isolated
regions?
Yes, there are legends about the creation of
language from other isolated regions around the world. Here
are a few examples:
The Aboriginal Australians have a story
about the Rainbow Snake, who created language by painting
designs on rocks.
The Cherokee people of North America have
a story about the Little People, who were responsible for
creating language and teaching it to the Cherokee.
The Inuit people of the Arctic have a
legend about the Raven, who is said to have created language
by gathering sounds from the world around him and bringing
them back to the people.
The San people of southern Africa have a
story about the Eland Bull, who gave language to the San
people as a gift.
These legends reflect the rich diversity of language and
storytelling traditions around the world, and highlight the
important role that language plays in shaping our
understanding of the world.
> Tell me the story about Rainbow Snake, please.
Sure! Here is a version of the Aboriginal
Australian story of the Rainbow Snake and the creation of
language:
A long time ago, the Rainbow Snake lived deep in the earth,
where he was responsible for keeping the water flowing in
the rivers and streams. One day, he decided to come up to
the surface to explore the world above.
As he traveled across the land, he saw that the people were
struggling to communicate with each other. They had no
language, and could only gesture and grunt to convey their
thoughts and feelings.
Feeling sorry for the people, the Rainbow Snake decided to
help them. He began to paint designs on the rocks and
cliffs, using his rainbow colors to create symbols that
represented different words and ideas.
Over time, the people learned to read the symbols and began
to develop their own language. They used the symbols to tell
stories, pass on knowledge, and communicate with each other
in new and powerful ways.
Thanks to the Rainbow Snake and his gift of language, the
people were able to thrive and grow, building strong
communities and rich cultural traditions that have endured
for thousands of years.
> Doesn't it tell of writing? Do they know what those
symbols were?
You make a valid point! While the story of the
Rainbow Snake does involve the creation of symbols that
represented language, it's important to note that writing
systems and spoken language are two distinct things.
In the case of the Aboriginal Australians, the symbols that
the Rainbow Snake is said to have created may have been more
akin to pictograms or petroglyphs, which can convey meaning
without necessarily representing specific sounds or words.
As for whether the symbols are known today, some Aboriginal
Australian cultures have preserved traditional rock art and
other forms of visual storytelling, which may include some
of the symbols referenced in the Rainbow Snake story.
However, interpreting these symbols can be difficult, as
they often require a deep understanding of the cultural
context and traditions in which they were created.
> Does the Innuit legend about the Raven also tell of
some symbols the raven physically collected?
The Inuit legend about the Raven does not
explicitly mention the Raven physically collecting symbols,
as the Rainbow Snake did in the Aboriginal Australian story.
Instead, the Raven's role in the Inuit legend is more
focused on his role as a creator and teacher.
According to the legend, the Raven was born out of darkness
and was initially weak and lost. However, he eventually
realized that he was the Raven Father, Creator of All Life,
and he flew out of the darkness to create the world and
teach the first Inuit man and woman how to survive and
thrive in it.
The Raven taught the first Inuit couple how to find food,
build shelter, make clothing, and travel by canoe, and he
cared for and educated their children as well. In this way,
the Raven's role in the Inuit legend is more about imparting
knowledge and wisdom to humans, rather than creating
physical symbols.
> Tell me, if you know, how he taught them language.
Certainly! According to the legend, the Raven
taught language to the first Inuit man and woman in a unique
and creative way.
As the Raven traveled across the newly created world, he
began to hear different sounds from the land and the animals
around him. He heard the rushing of rivers, the howling of
wolves, and the chirping of birds, among many other things.
The Raven then gathered up all these sounds and stored them
in his throat. When he returned to the first Inuit couple,
he opened his beak and let out all the sounds at once, in a
great cacophony of noise.
The first Inuit couple listened intently to the sounds, and
they began to recognize patterns and meanings in them. They
started to imitate the sounds themselves, and over time,
they developed a full language that allowed them to
communicate and express themselves in new and complex ways.
In this way, the Raven's role in teaching language was not
so much about creating specific symbols or written systems,
but rather about helping humans to recognize and organize
the sounds of the world around them.
> And how did the Little People taught Cherokee the
language?
Unfortunately, I couldn't find any specific
legends about how the Little People taught language to the
Cherokee. The Cherokee people do have a rich oral tradition
of storytelling and mythology, but I couldn't find anything
specific about the Little People and language teaching.
However, it's worth noting that the Cherokee people did
develop their own unique writing system, called the Cherokee
syllabary, which was created by a Cherokee man named
Sequoyah in the early 19th century. This writing system
helped the Cherokee preserve their language and culture in
the face of challenges and pressures from the dominant U.S.
culture.
> And what was the legend you refer to earlier?
Ah, I see that I was not clear enough! The
Cherokee legend I referred to earlier was about the Little
People, who are a race of small, magical beings that play an
important role in Cherokee mythology.
According to Cherokee legend, the Little People are
mischievous but generally harmless creatures who live in the
forests and mountains. They are often associated with magic
and trickery, and they are said to have special powers and
abilities.
While there are many different stories and legends about the
Little People in Cherokee mythology, I couldn't find any
specific legends about them teaching language to the
Cherokee. However, they do play a significant role in many
other Cherokee stories and traditions.
> Could it be that the Little People were animals?
That's an interesting hypothesis! While the
Little People are generally described as humanoid in
appearance and behavior, there are some aspects of their
mythology that suggest a connection to animals.
For example, in some Cherokee stories, the Little People are
said to have the ability to shape-shift into different
animals, such as birds or squirrels. In other stories, they
are said to be able to communicate with animals, or to have
animal companions that help them in their mischievous deeds.
There are also some Cherokee legends that describe the
Little People as being descended from animals, such as the
story of the Nunnehi, who are said to be the children of the
Sun and a woman named Clothed-in-Thunder. According to this
legend, the Nunnehi have the ability to turn into animals,
and they are sometimes depicted as having animal-like
features.
So while the Little People are not strictly animals
themselves, there are certainly some connections and
overlaps between them and the animal world in Cherokee
mythology.
> And the other legend?
The other legend I mentioned earlier was the
Inuit legend about the Raven and the creation of the world
and language. In this legend, the Raven is depicted as a
powerful and creative figure who brings life and knowledge
to the world.
According to the legend, the Raven was born from darkness
and initially struggled to find his place in the world.
However, he eventually realized that he was the Raven
Father, Creator of All Life, and he flew out of the darkness
to create the world and all the creatures in it.
In addition to creating the world, the Raven also taught the
first Inuit man and woman how to survive and thrive in it,
and he gave them language by gathering up the sounds of the
world around them and releasing them all at once.
Overall, the Inuit legend of the Raven emphasizes the
interconnectedness of all life, and the importance of
creativity, knowledge, and language in shaping our world and
our experiences.
> No, no, the african one.
Oh, I see! You're referring to the San people
legend of the Eland Bull and the creation of language. This
legend comes from the San people of southern Africa, who are
also known as the Bushmen.
According to the legend, in the beginning, the San people
lived in harmony with the animals and the land. They could
communicate with animals and understand their language, and
they lived a simple and peaceful life.
One day, the Eland Bull, a large and powerful antelope, came
to the San people and told them that he had a gift for them.
He offered to give them language, so that they could
communicate with each other and share their knowledge and
experiences.
The San people accepted the Eland Bull's gift, and he taught
them how to speak and understand each other's words. From
that day forward, the San people had language, and they used
it to tell stories, sing songs, and share their wisdom and
traditions with future generations.
In this way, the Eland Bull is seen as a generous and wise
figure who helped the San people to develop their language
and culture.
I also found the similarity between the word legend and
language.