1 00:00:29,439 --> 00:00:31,119 the story you are about to hear 2 00:00:31,119 --> 00:00:33,320 represents a missing piece in the puzzle 3 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,320 of modern history without this knowledge 4 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,960 many contemporary events are simply 5 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,680 Beyond understanding you are about to 6 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,160 hear a man tell you that the major tax 7 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:46,680 exempt foundations of this land since at 8 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:47,719 least 9 00:00:47,719 --> 00:00:50,559 1945 have been operating to promote a 10 00:00:50,559 --> 00:00:53,559 hidden agenda and that agenda has 11 00:00:53,559 --> 00:00:55,120 nothing to do with the surface 12 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,920 appearance of Charity good works or 13 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,280 philanthropy this man will tell you that 14 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,359 the real objectives include the creation 15 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:05,760 of a worldwide Collective estate 16 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,240 including the Soviet Union which is to 17 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,920 be ruled from behind the scenes by those 18 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,360 same interests which now control the tax 19 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,320 exempt 20 00:01:15,320 --> 00:01:17,720 foundations the man who tells this story 21 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,400 is none other than Mr Norman Dodd who in 22 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,439 1954 was the staff director of the 23 00:01:23,439 --> 00:01:25,280 Congressional special committee to 24 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,040 investigate tax exempt foundations 25 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:29,439 sometimes referred to as the Reese 26 00:01:29,439 --> 00:01:31,960 committee in recognition of its chairman 27 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:34,040 Congressman Carol 28 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,600 ree the interview you're about to see 29 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,840 was conducted by me in 30 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,680 1982 I had no immediate use for the 31 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,640 material at that time but I realized 32 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,240 that Mr dod's story was of extreme 33 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,560 importance and since he was advanced in 34 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,240 age and not in good health I simply 35 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,119 wanted to capture his Recollections on 36 00:01:53,119 --> 00:01:56,280 videotape while he was still with us it 37 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,960 was a wise decision because Mr DOD did 38 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,240 pass away just as short time 39 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,360 afterward in recent months there has 40 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,360 been a Resurgence of interest in the 41 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,960 substance of Mr dod's story and we have 42 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,318 decided to make it available to the 43 00:02:09,318 --> 00:02:12,680 general public and so what now follows 44 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,280 is the full unedited interview broken 45 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,480 occasionally only for a tape change or 46 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,160 to omit the sound of a passing airplane 47 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,640 it stands on its own as an important 48 00:02:22,640 --> 00:02:25,800 piece in the puzzle of modern 49 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,360 history Mr Dodd let's begin this 50 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,319 interview by a brief stting for the 51 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:33,080 record telling us who you are what your 52 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,120 background is and your qualifications to 53 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:36,800 speak on this 54 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,319 subject 55 00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:40,400 well Mr 56 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,159 Griffin um as for who I 57 00:02:44,159 --> 00:02:48,560 am I am just as the name implies an 58 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,640 individual born in New Jersey 59 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:55,599 and educated 60 00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:58,200 in private 61 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,680 schools eventually in a school called 62 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,720 andova 63 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,599 Massachusetts and then Yale University 64 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:09,480 and running through my whole period of 65 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,400 being brought up and growing up I have 66 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,680 been an indefatigable 67 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,959 reader and I have had one major interest 68 00:03:17,959 --> 00:03:19,000 and that 69 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,400 was this 70 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,319 country as I was led to believe it was 71 00:03:25,319 --> 00:03:27,519 originally 72 00:03:27,519 --> 00:03:32,319 founded and um I entered the world of 73 00:03:32,319 --> 00:03:35,120 business knowing absolutely nothing 74 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:39,120 about the how that world 75 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,640 operated and U realized that the only 76 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,840 way to find out what that world was 77 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,760 consisted of would be to become part of 78 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:54,720 it and I then acquired some experience 79 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,040 in the manufacturing world and then in 80 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,599 the world of international communication 81 00:04:00,599 --> 00:04:05,319 and finally chose banking as the a the 82 00:04:05,319 --> 00:04:08,439 field I wish to devote my life 83 00:04:08,439 --> 00:04:11,920 to and I was fortunate enough to secure 84 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,319 a position in one of the important banks 85 00:04:15,319 --> 00:04:17,358 in New 86 00:04:17,358 --> 00:04:21,120 York and lived there I lived 87 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:26,880 through the um ex conditions which led 88 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,600 up to what is 89 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,600 known as the crash of 90 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:35,000 1929 and 91 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,039 U I witnessed what has turned out to a 92 00:04:39,039 --> 00:04:40,720 collapse of 93 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:45,199 the structure of the United States as a 94 00:04:45,199 --> 00:04:51,080 whole and much to my surprise I was 95 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:55,080 um confronted by my superiors with a in 96 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,199 the middle of the panic in which they 97 00:04:57,199 --> 00:05:00,120 were immersed 98 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,800 I was confronted with the question Norm 99 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,800 what do we do 100 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,880 now I was 30 at the time and I had 101 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,199 no more right to have an answer to that 102 00:05:13,199 --> 00:05:15,600 question than the Man in the 103 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:20,520 Moon I however I did manage to say to my 104 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,880 superiors gentlemen you take this 105 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,800 experience as proof of something that 106 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,000 you do not know about 107 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,319 Banking and you better go find out what 108 00:05:30,319 --> 00:05:32,319 that something 109 00:05:32,319 --> 00:05:35,199 is and act 110 00:05:35,199 --> 00:05:38,199 accordingly 4 days later I was 111 00:05:38,199 --> 00:05:41,240 confronted by the same 112 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,199 superiors with a statement to the effect 113 00:05:44,199 --> 00:05:48,759 that Norm you go find 114 00:05:48,759 --> 00:05:52,080 out and 115 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,919 I really was fool enough to accept that 116 00:05:56,919 --> 00:06:00,360 assignment because uh 117 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,000 it meant that you were going out to 118 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,840 search for something and nobody could 119 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:05,960 tell you what you were looking 120 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:10,199 for but I was I felt so strongly on the 121 00:06:10,199 --> 00:06:11,440 subject that 122 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,240 I consented to I was relieved of 123 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,440 all normal duties inside the 124 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,800 bank and uh two and a half years later I 125 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:24,840 felt 126 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:28,240 that it was possible to report back to 127 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,599 those who had given me this 128 00:06:31,599 --> 00:06:35,800 assignment and so I rendered such a 129 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,680 report and as a result of the report I 130 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,520 rendered I was told the 131 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,199 following Norm what you're saying is we 132 00:06:45,199 --> 00:06:47,440 should return to sound 133 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,360 Banking and I said yes in essence that's 134 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,919 exactly what it I am 135 00:06:52,919 --> 00:06:56,280 saying whereupon I got my first shock 136 00:06:56,280 --> 00:07:01,160 which was a statement from them to this 137 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,080 effect we will never see sound banking 138 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,000 in the United States again and they 139 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:11,599 cited chapter and verse to support that 140 00:07:11,599 --> 00:07:14,639 statement and what they cited was as 141 00:07:14,639 --> 00:07:17,720 follows since the end of World War 142 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,360 I we have been responsible for the what 143 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,919 they call the 144 00:07:23,919 --> 00:07:26,240 institutionalizing of conflicting 145 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,720 interests and they are so prevalent 146 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,520 inside this 147 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,680 country that they can never be 148 00:07:35,919 --> 00:07:39,240 resolved this came to me as an 149 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,199 extraordinary shock because the men who 150 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:44,360 made the statement were men who 151 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,560 were deemed as the most prominent 152 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,240 Bankers in the 153 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,080 country the bank of which I was a part 154 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,319 was spoken of as a Morgan 155 00:07:57,319 --> 00:08:00,800 Bank and coming from men of that 156 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,840 caliber a statement of that 157 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:08,639 kind made a tremendous impression on 158 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,599 me and 159 00:08:11,599 --> 00:08:14,360 um the type of impression that it made 160 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,199 on me was I 161 00:08:17,199 --> 00:08:22,360 wondered if I as an individual in a it's 162 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,240 what they call a junior officer of the 163 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:29,400 bank could with the same enthusiasm 164 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,960 Foster the progress and the policies of 165 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,120 the 166 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,839 bank I spent about a year trying to 167 00:08:35,839 --> 00:08:37,559 think this 168 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,760 out and came to the conclusion that I 169 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,679 would have to 170 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,880 resign I did 171 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:50,000 resign and as a consequence of that had 172 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,440 this 173 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,120 experience when my letter of resignation 174 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,680 reached the desk of the president of the 175 00:08:57,680 --> 00:09:00,519 bank he sent for 176 00:09:00,519 --> 00:09:04,839 me and then he and I came to visit with 177 00:09:04,839 --> 00:09:07,279 him and he stated to me Norm I have your 178 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:09,720 letter but I don't believe you 179 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,160 understand what's happened in the last 180 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:12,560 10 181 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:16,920 days I said no Mr Cochran I have no idea 182 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,279 what's happened well he said the 183 00:09:19,279 --> 00:09:21,240 directors have never been able to get 184 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,279 their your report to them out of their 185 00:09:25,279 --> 00:09:27,720 mind and as a 186 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,680 result they had 187 00:09:30,680 --> 00:09:33,839 decided that you as an individual must 188 00:09:33,839 --> 00:09:37,519 begin at once and you must reorganize 189 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:42,959 this Bank in keeping with your own 190 00:09:43,279 --> 00:09:45,560 ideas and 191 00:09:45,560 --> 00:09:48,160 U he then said 192 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,279 now can I tear up your 193 00:09:51,279 --> 00:09:54,440 letter and in as much as what had been 194 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,399 said to me was offering me at the age of 195 00:09:58,399 --> 00:09:59,839 by then 30 196 00:09:59,839 --> 00:10:04,399 33 about as find an opportunity for 197 00:10:04,399 --> 00:10:08,880 service to the country as I could 198 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,240 imagine I said 199 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,079 yes and they said they wish me to begin 200 00:10:14,079 --> 00:10:16,079 at 201 00:10:16,079 --> 00:10:20,680 once and I did and 202 00:10:21,399 --> 00:10:25,079 um suddenly in the span of about 6 weeks 203 00:10:25,079 --> 00:10:27,160 I was not permitted to do another piece 204 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,160 of work and every time I brought the 205 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,519 subject up I was kind of patted on the 206 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:37,480 back and said and told 207 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,399 um stop worrying about it Norm pretty 208 00:10:40,399 --> 00:10:42,440 soon you'll be a vice president and then 209 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,480 you'll have an a quite a handsome salary 210 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,600 and ultimately be able to retire on a 211 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,200 very worthwhile pension in the meantime 212 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,040 you can play Golf and Tennis to your 213 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,040 heart content on 214 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,560 weekends well Mr Griffin I found I 215 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:06,760 couldn't do it I spent a year with my 216 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,079 figuratively with my feet on the desk 217 00:11:09,079 --> 00:11:10,040 doing 218 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,760 nothing and I just couldn't adjust to it 219 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,440 so I did 220 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,399 resign and this time my resignation 221 00:11:21,399 --> 00:11:24,480 stuck and then I got my second shock 222 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,399 which was the discovery that the doors 223 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:30,560 of every Bank in the United States were 224 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:34,240 closed to me and I never could get a job 225 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,360 as it were in the bank so I found myself 226 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,839 for the first time since IID graduated 227 00:11:40,839 --> 00:11:43,760 from college out of a 228 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,839 job and from there on I followed various 229 00:11:47,839 --> 00:11:51,600 branches of the financial World ranging 230 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,800 from investment Council 231 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,680 to membership of the stock 232 00:11:57,680 --> 00:12:02,760 exchange and finally ended up as 233 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:07,680 a as an advisor to a few individuals who 234 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:11,440 had Capital funds to look 235 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,720 after in the meantime uh my major 236 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,639 interest became very 237 00:12:17,639 --> 00:12:21,560 specific which was to 238 00:12:21,560 --> 00:12:24,880 Endeavor by some means of getting the 239 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,600 educational 240 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,000 world to actually 241 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,680 you might say teach the subject of 242 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:34,839 Economics 243 00:12:34,839 --> 00:12:39,240 realistically and move it away from the 244 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,440 support 245 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,040 of various speculative activities that 246 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,959 characterize our 247 00:12:47,959 --> 00:12:51,639 country and I have had that interest and 248 00:12:51,639 --> 00:12:54,880 you know how as you generate a specific 249 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,839 interest you find yourself gravitating 250 00:12:57,839 --> 00:13:00,839 toward persons with similar 251 00:13:00,839 --> 00:13:03,800 interests and ultimately I found myself 252 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,399 kind of the center 253 00:13:06,399 --> 00:13:11,880 of the world of dissatisfaction with the 254 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,519 direction that this country was 255 00:13:14,519 --> 00:13:17,800 headed and 256 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:22,079 um that's on One Direction and the same 257 00:13:22,079 --> 00:13:25,399 way I've found myself in contact with 258 00:13:25,399 --> 00:13:27,480 many individuals 259 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,920 who on their own had done a vast amount 260 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,959 of studying and 261 00:13:32,959 --> 00:13:38,040 research in areas which were part of the 262 00:13:38,079 --> 00:13:40,360 problem and 263 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,959 um Mr D if I may interrupt here for a 264 00:13:42,959 --> 00:13:46,800 second uh at what point in your career 265 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,199 did you become connected with the Reese 266 00:13:49,199 --> 00:13:51,160 committee 267 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:52,880 1953 268 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,320 1953 yeah and what was that capacity sir 269 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,639 that was the capacity of what they call 270 00:13:59,639 --> 00:14:03,800 director of research for the Reese 271 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,800 committee can you tell us what the Rees 272 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,800 committee was attempting to do yes I can 273 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,240 tell you it was operating and and 274 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,440 carrying out instructions embodied in a 275 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,600 resolution passed by the House of 276 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,399 Representatives which was to investigate 277 00:14:21,399 --> 00:14:24,639 the activities of 278 00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:27,720 Foundations as to whether or not these 279 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,560 activities could justifiably be labeled 280 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,440 unamerican without I might say defining 281 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:36,720 what they meant by 282 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,680 unamerican but that was the the the 283 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,720 resolution and um the committee had then 284 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,040 the task of selecting a council and the 285 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,120 council in turn had the task of 286 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:51,480 selecting a 287 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,120 staff and he had to have somebody who 288 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,040 would direct the work of that staff and 289 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,519 that was what they meant by the director 290 00:15:00,519 --> 00:15:02,880 of research what were some of the 291 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,000 details the specifics that you told the 292 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,759 committee at that 293 00:15:07,759 --> 00:15:11,560 time well Mr Griffin in that report I 294 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,240 specifically 295 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:17,600 um uh number one 296 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,320 defined what was to us what was meant by 297 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,199 the phrase 298 00:15:23,199 --> 00:15:26,160 unamerican and we defined that in our 299 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:27,399 way as 300 00:15:27,399 --> 00:15:29,160 being uh 301 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,079 um 302 00:15:31,079 --> 00:15:34,600 a determination to effect changes in the 303 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,240 country 304 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:41,480 by um unconstitutional means we have we 305 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,759 have plenty of constitutional procedures 306 00:15:44,759 --> 00:15:47,079 assuming that we wish to effect a change 307 00:15:47,079 --> 00:15:49,000 in the form of government or that sort 308 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:49,759 of 309 00:15:49,759 --> 00:15:52,839 thing and therefore any effort in that 310 00:15:52,839 --> 00:15:57,720 direction which did not Avail itself of 311 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,040 the procedure which were authorized by 312 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:00,959 the 313 00:16:00,959 --> 00:16:03,440 Constitution would could be justifiably 314 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:04,639 called 315 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:07,959 unamerican that was the start of 316 00:16:07,959 --> 00:16:10,800 educating them up to that particular 317 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:15,000 point the next thing was to educate them 318 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,600 as to the 319 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,560 effect on the country as a whole of the 320 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,920 activities of large endowed 321 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,160 foundations over the 322 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,240 then past 40 years what was that effect 323 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,440 sir that effect was to orient our 324 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:40,240 educational system over away from 325 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:45,680 support of the U principles embodied in 326 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,920 the Declaration of Independence and 327 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:49,680 implemented in the 328 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,600 Constitution and educated them over to 329 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,560 the to the idea that the task now 330 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,759 was um 331 00:16:59,759 --> 00:17:02,399 as a result of the orientation of 332 00:17:02,399 --> 00:17:04,280 Education 333 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,439 to um away 334 00:17:07,439 --> 00:17:10,520 from these brief principle briefly 335 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,600 stated principles and self-evident 336 00:17:14,799 --> 00:17:17,319 truths and that's what had been the 337 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:19,959 effect of the 338 00:17:19,959 --> 00:17:21,799 wealth which 339 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:25,640 was Which con constituted the endowments 340 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,600 of those foundations that had been in 341 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,280 existence over the largest portion of 342 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,280 the span of 50 343 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,919 years and hel holding them responsible 344 00:17:38,919 --> 00:17:40,559 for this 345 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:43,840 change and U what we were able to bring 346 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,840 forward was that 347 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,760 the that what we had uncovered was the 348 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,320 determination of these large endowed 349 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,280 foundations through their trustees to 350 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,679 actually get control over the content of 351 00:17:58,679 --> 00:18:00,799 American 352 00:18:00,799 --> 00:18:02,600 Education there's quite a bit of 353 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,120 publicity given to your conversation 354 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:07,200 with uh Rowan 355 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,600 Gaither uh would you please tell us who 356 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,840 he was and what was that conversation 357 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,880 you had with him ran Gaither was at that 358 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,919 time president of the Ford 359 00:18:17,919 --> 00:18:23,280 foundation and um um Mr Gaither had sent 360 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,600 for me when I found it convenient to be 361 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,720 in New York 362 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,000 asked me to call upon him at his office 363 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,280 which I 364 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:37,000 did and on arrival after a few 365 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,240 amenities Mr Gaither said Mr DOD we've 366 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,840 asked you to come up here this today 367 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,960 because we thought that possibly off the 368 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,480 Record you would tell us why the 369 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,200 Congress is interested in the activities 370 00:18:55,200 --> 00:19:00,320 of Foundations such as ourselves 371 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,320 and um before I could think of how I 372 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,880 would reply to that statement Mr Gaither 373 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,240 then went on voluntarily and 374 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,360 stated he said Mr DOD all of us that 375 00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:17,520 have a hand in the making of policies 376 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,080 here have had experience 377 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:25,760 either with the OSS during the war or 378 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,600 the European economic Administration 379 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,480 after the war we've had experience 380 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,120 operating under 381 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:36,440 directives and these directives emanate 382 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,200 and did emanate from the White House now 383 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:41,320 we 384 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,559 still operate under just such directives 385 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:47,200 would you like to know what the 386 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,120 substance of these directives is I said 387 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:54,000 yes Mr G i' like very much to 388 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,720 know whereupon he made this statement to 389 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,159 me namely 390 00:19:59,159 --> 00:20:02,600 Mr Dodd we are here operate on SI 391 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,720 similar in response to similar 392 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,080 directives the substance of which is 393 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:13,159 that we shall use our grant making power 394 00:20:13,159 --> 00:20:16,720 so to older life in the United States 395 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,760 that it can be comfortably merged with 396 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,120 the Soviet 397 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,000 Union well 398 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,080 parenthetically um Mr Griffin I nearly 399 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,159 fell off the chair 400 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,880 I of course it didn't but 401 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,640 um my response to Mr Gaither then was 402 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,200 well Mr Gaither I can now answer your 403 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,320 first 404 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,120 question you forced the Congress of the 405 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:47,320 United States to spend 406 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,679 $150,000 to find out what you just told 407 00:20:51,679 --> 00:20:53,919 me so why don't 408 00:20:53,919 --> 00:20:56,480 you I said of course legally you're 409 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,799 entitled to 410 00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:03,600 um make grants for the for this purpose 411 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,360 but I don't think you're entitled to 412 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:07,200 withhold that information from the 413 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,840 people of the country to whom you're 414 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,039 indebted for your tax exemption so why 415 00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:14,919 don't you tell the people of the country 416 00:21:14,919 --> 00:21:17,600 that's what you've told me and his 417 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,600 answer was we would not think of doing 418 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,679 any such thing so then I said well Mr 419 00:21:23,679 --> 00:21:27,039 Gaither obviously you force the Congress 420 00:21:27,039 --> 00:21:28,679 to spend this money 421 00:21:28,679 --> 00:21:31,799 in order to find out what you just told 422 00:21:31,799 --> 00:21:36,640 me Mr dod you have spoken before about 423 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,279 uh some interesting things that were 424 00:21:39,279 --> 00:21:41,559 discovered by Katherine Casey at the 425 00:21:41,559 --> 00:21:43,799 Carnegie endowment can you tell us that 426 00:21:43,799 --> 00:21:45,080 story 427 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:49,240 please yes I'm glad to Mr Griffin 428 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,679 um this experience that you have just 429 00:21:52,679 --> 00:21:55,960 referred to came about in response to a 430 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,640 letter which I had written to the 431 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,320 car Endowment for International Peace 432 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,080 asking certain questions and Gathering 433 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,760 certain 434 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:10,440 information and on on the arrival of 435 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,600 that letter Dr Johnson who was then 436 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,400 president of the carnegi endowment 437 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,919 telephoned me and said did I ever come 438 00:22:18,919 --> 00:22:22,440 up to New York and I said yes I did more 439 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:23,840 or less each 440 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,960 weekend and he said well when you're 441 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,720 next year will you drop in and see it 442 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:30,760 which I 443 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,480 did and again on arrival at the office 444 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:35,880 of the 445 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,799 endowment I found myself in the presence 446 00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:42,840 of Dr Joseph Johnson the the president 447 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,480 who was a successor to aler 448 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,640 his two vice presidents and their own 449 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,080 Council a partner in The Firm of 450 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,799 Sullivan and 451 00:22:54,840 --> 00:23:00,520 Cromwell and Dr Johnson said after again 452 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,720 amenities Mr DOD we have your letter we 453 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,480 can answer all those questions but it' 454 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:06,919 be a great deal of 455 00:23:06,919 --> 00:23:09,960 trouble and we have a counter 456 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,640 suggestion and our counter suggestion is 457 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,799 that if you can spare a member of your 458 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:18,600 staff for two weeks and send that member 459 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,320 up to New York we will give to that 460 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,799 member a room in the library and the 461 00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:28,520 minute books of this Foundation since 462 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,559 Inception and we think that whatever you 463 00:23:31,559 --> 00:23:33,600 want to find out or the Congress wants 464 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,360 to find out will be obvious from those 465 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:40,240 minutes well my first reaction was they 466 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,279 lost their mind I had a pretty good idea 467 00:23:43,279 --> 00:23:45,360 of what those minutes would 468 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:50,000 contain but I realized that Dr Johnson 469 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,679 had only been in office two years and 470 00:23:53,679 --> 00:23:56,320 the other the the vice presidents were 471 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,720 relatively young men 472 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,240 and Council seemed to be also a young 473 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,120 man and I guessed that probably they 474 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:07,520 never read the minutes 475 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,960 themselves and so I said I had somebody 476 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,080 I would take it I would accept their 477 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,120 offer and I went back to Washington and 478 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:18,559 I 479 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:22,240 selected the member of my staff who was 480 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,919 on my 481 00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:27,080 staff having been a a practicing 482 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,320 attorney in 483 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,960 Washington but she was on my staff to 484 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,159 preed to it that I didn't break any 485 00:24:34,159 --> 00:24:36,799 Congressional procedures or 486 00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:39,159 rules in addition to which she was 487 00:24:39,159 --> 00:24:43,000 unsympathetic to the purpose of the 488 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,039 investigation uh she was a levelheaded 489 00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:51,840 and a very reasonably brilliant capable 490 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,039 lady and her attitude of toward the 491 00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:57,720 investigation was What could possi 492 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,120 possibly be wrong with foundations they 493 00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:04,399 do so much good well in the face of that 494 00:25:04,399 --> 00:25:06,679 sincere conviction of Catherine I went 495 00:25:06,679 --> 00:25:09,360 out of my way not to Prejudice her in 496 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:10,279 any 497 00:25:10,279 --> 00:25:13,399 way but I did explain to her that she 498 00:25:13,399 --> 00:25:16,120 couldn't possibly cover 50 years of 499 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:17,880 handwritten 500 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,880 minutes in two weeks so she would have 501 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,240 to do what we call spot reading and I 502 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,000 blocked out certain periods of time to 503 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,880 concentrate on 504 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,039 on and off she went to New 505 00:25:32,039 --> 00:25:35,440 York she came back at the end of two 506 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,480 weeks with the following in the way of 507 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,559 on on dictaphone 508 00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:46,360 belts we are now at the year 509 00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:49,360 198 which was the year that the Carnegie 510 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:51,880 began 511 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,240 operations and in that year the trustees 512 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,559 meeting for the first time raise a 513 00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:02,360 specific question which they discuss 514 00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:05,000 throughout the balance of the year in a 515 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,760 very learned fashion and the question is 516 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,480 is there any means 517 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,559 known more effective than War assuming 518 00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:19,320 you wish to alter the life of an entire 519 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,760 people and they conclude 520 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,120 that no no no more effective means than 521 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:31,799 War to that end is known to 522 00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:35,159 humanity so then in 199 they raised the 523 00:26:35,159 --> 00:26:38,840 second question and discuss it namely 524 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:43,000 how do we involve the United States in a 525 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,960 war well I doubt at that time if there 526 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,399 was any subject more removed from the 527 00:26:48,399 --> 00:26:50,399 thinking of most of the people of this 528 00:26:50,399 --> 00:26:53,320 country than its involvement in a war 529 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,399 there were intermittent shows in the 530 00:26:56,399 --> 00:26:58,960 Balkans but but I doubt very much if 531 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,880 many people even knew where the Balkans 532 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,880 were then finally they answer that 533 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,360 question as follows we must control the 534 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:12,760 state 535 00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:17,080 department and they and then that very 536 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,840 naturally raises the question of how do 537 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,679 we do 538 00:27:21,679 --> 00:27:26,880 that and um they answer it by saying we 539 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,720 must take over over and control the 540 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,919 Diplomatic Machinery of this 541 00:27:31,919 --> 00:27:35,919 country and finally they 542 00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:41,559 resolve to aim at that as an 543 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,039 objective then time 544 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:48,880 passes and we are eventually in a war 545 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,960 which would have been World War 546 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,320 I and at that time 547 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,360 they record on their 548 00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:01,120 minutes a 549 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:05,240 shocking report in which 550 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,519 they dispatched to President Wilson a 551 00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:11,720 telegram cautioning him to see that the 552 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,080 war does not end too 553 00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:19,440 quickly and finally of course we are the 554 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,120 war is 555 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:24,840 over at that time their interest shifts 556 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,120 over to preventing what they call a 557 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,880 reverse verion of life in the United 558 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,559 States to what it was prior to 559 00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:38,519 1914 when World War I broke out and they 560 00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:41,559 arrive at that point they come to the 561 00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:44,480 conclusion that to prevent a reversion 562 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,919 we must control education in the United 563 00:28:47,919 --> 00:28:50,640 States and they realize that that's a 564 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,279 pretty big 565 00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:56,039 task so it's to them it is too big for 566 00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:58,919 them alone so they approach approach the 567 00:28:58,919 --> 00:29:00,559 Rockefeller 568 00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:04,080 foundation with the suggestion 569 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,399 that that portion of Education which is 570 00:29:07,399 --> 00:29:10,760 could be considered domestic be handled 571 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,880 by the Rockefeller foundation and that 572 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,799 portion which is international should be 573 00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:18,399 handled by the 574 00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:21,640 endowment and they then decide that the 575 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,720 key to the success of these two 576 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,559 operations lay in the an alteration of 577 00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:30,720 the teaching of American 578 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,320 History so they 579 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,679 approach four of the then most 580 00:29:37,679 --> 00:29:40,399 prominent teachers of American history 581 00:29:40,399 --> 00:29:42,640 in the country people like Charles and 582 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,840 Mary 583 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,279 Bird and their suggestion to them is 584 00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:52,279 will they alter the manner in which they 585 00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:54,159 present this subject and they get turned 586 00:29:54,159 --> 00:29:56,000 down 587 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,919 flat so they then decide that it is 588 00:29:59,919 --> 00:30:03,080 necessary for them to do as they say 589 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,799 build our own stable of 590 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,720 historians and then they approach the 591 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,200 Guggenheim Foundation which specializes 592 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,840 in 593 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,799 fellowships and say when we find young 594 00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:22,159 men in the process of studying for 595 00:30:22,159 --> 00:30:25,200 doctorates in the field of American 596 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,600 history and we feel that they are uh the 597 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,519 right caliber will you grant them 598 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:34,000 fellowships on our say so and the answer 599 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,159 is 600 00:30:35,159 --> 00:30:39,360 yes so under that condition eventually 601 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,440 they assembled 602 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,840 20 and they take this 20 603 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,080 potential teachers of American History 604 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,320 to London and they're they're briefed 605 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,120 into what is expected of them when as 606 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,799 and if they secure 607 00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:01,000 appointments in keeping with the 608 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,919 doctorates they will have 609 00:31:03,919 --> 00:31:06,360 earned and 610 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,240 um 611 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,600 that new that group of 20 historians 612 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,279 ultimately becomes the nucleus of the 613 00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:17,399 American historical 614 00:31:17,399 --> 00:31:20,159 Association and then toward the end of 615 00:31:20,159 --> 00:31:21,279 the 616 00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:24,200 1920s the endowment grants to the 617 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,159 American historical 618 00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:28,120 Association 619 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,279 $400,000 for a 620 00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:34,760 study of our history in a manner which 621 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,000 points to what can this country be can 622 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,960 it look forward 623 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,519 to in the 624 00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:49,240 future and uh that culminates in a seven 625 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,760 volume 626 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,720 study book 627 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,559 study the last volume of which is of 628 00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:59,440 course an essence of summary of the 629 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,720 contents of the other six and the 630 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,760 essence of the last volume is the future 631 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,159 of this country belongs to 632 00:32:08,159 --> 00:32:11,480 collectivism administered with 633 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,000 characteristic American 634 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,639 efficiency that's the story that 635 00:32:17,639 --> 00:32:22,679 ultimately grew out of and of course was 636 00:32:22,679 --> 00:32:26,159 what could have been presented by the 637 00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:28,440 members of this Congressional committee 638 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,559 to the Congress as a whole for just 639 00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:33,000 exactly what it 640 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,639 said but they never got to that point 641 00:32:35,639 --> 00:32:37,200 this is the story that emerged from the 642 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,559 minutes of the uh of the Carnegie fund 643 00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:42,200 that's right Carnegie endowment that's 644 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,919 right and uh so it was official to that 645 00:32:45,919 --> 00:32:48,720 extent I see and Katherine Casey brought 646 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,120 all of these back in the form of uh 647 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,360 dictated notes or verbatim readings of 648 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,960 the of the minutes onct phone B else are 649 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,000 those in existence today I don't know 650 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,279 but if they are they they're somewhere 651 00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:05,919 in the 652 00:33:05,919 --> 00:33:09,600 archives under the under the um control 653 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,200 of the Congress House of Representatives 654 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,399 how many people actually heard those or 655 00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:16,679 were they typed up transcripts made of 656 00:33:16,679 --> 00:33:19,600 them how many people actually heard 657 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,039 those uh 658 00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:24,080 recordings oh three 659 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,240 maybe myself my top 660 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,600 assistance and 661 00:33:31,919 --> 00:33:34,120 Katherine yeah I might tell you this 662 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,159 experience as far as its impact on 663 00:33:36,159 --> 00:33:38,720 Catherine casy's concern was she never 664 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,519 was able to return to her law 665 00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:43,960 practice if it hadn't been for Carol 666 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,360 Reese's ability to tuck her away on a 667 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,480 job with the Federal Trade Commission I 668 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,639 don't know what would have happened to 669 00:33:52,639 --> 00:33:55,200 Catherine But ultimately she lost her 670 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,320 mind as a result of it 671 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,399 terrible shock 672 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,320 to it's it's it's a very rough 673 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,320 experience to 674 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,560 encounter proof of these kinds Mr DOD 675 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,159 what kind uh well can you summarize the 676 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,599 the opposition to the committee the 677 00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:18,599 Reese committee and particularly the 678 00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:20,839 efforts to sabotage the 679 00:34:20,839 --> 00:34:23,560 committee well they began right at the 680 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:28,399 right at the start of uh uh of the work 681 00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:31,719 of a of an operating staff Mr 682 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,119 Griffin um and it 683 00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:38,719 began on the day in which the committee 684 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,040 met for the purpose of consenting to or 685 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,239 confirming my appointment to the 686 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,719 position of director of 687 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:53,320 research um thanks to the abstention of 688 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,240 the minority members of the committee 689 00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:00,680 that is the two Democratic members from 690 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,839 voting why technically I was 691 00:35:03,839 --> 00:35:06,000 unanimously 692 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,240 appointed and 693 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:11,640 um well wasn't the White House involved 694 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:12,520 in 695 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,640 opposition well not not at this 696 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,720 particular Point Sir Mr Reese ordered 697 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:22,320 Council and myself to visit Wayne 698 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,320 Hayes and Wayne Hayes was the ranking 699 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:31,320 minority member of the committee as a 700 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,960 Democrat 701 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,240 so we Council and I had to go down to Mr 702 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:39,320 Hayes's office which we did Mr Hayes 703 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,720 greeted us with um the flat 704 00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:47,280 statement directed primarily to me which 705 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,839 is that I am opposed to this 706 00:35:51,839 --> 00:35:54,960 investigation I regard it as nothing but 707 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,040 a an effort on a part of Carol Reese to 708 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,839 gain a little prominence and and um so 709 00:36:01,839 --> 00:36:06,400 I'll do everything I can to see that it 710 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,400 fails 711 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,160 well I 712 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,400 am kind of a strange personality in the 713 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,440 sense that a challenge of that nature 714 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,560 interests 715 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:25,160 me our Council um withdrew he went over 716 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,520 and sat on the couch on Mr 717 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,359 Reese's office and 718 00:36:31,359 --> 00:36:36,200 pouted um but I sort of took up this 719 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,119 statement of hay as a challenge and set 720 00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:41,920 myself the goal of winning him over to 721 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,440 our point of 722 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,880 view and I started by noticing on his 723 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,720 desk that there was a book and the book 724 00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:53,280 was of the type that there are many in 725 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,079 these days that would be um complaining 726 00:36:57,079 --> 00:36:59,520 about the spread of Communism in 727 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,920 Hungary that type of book and this meant 728 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,880 to me that at least haes read a 729 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,680 book and so I brought up the subject of 730 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,240 the spread of the influence of the 731 00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:17,480 Soviet world and for two hours discussed 732 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,079 this with Hayes and finally ended up 733 00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:25,880 with his rising from his desk and saying 734 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,240 Norm if you can if you will carry this 735 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,680 investigation toward the goal as you've 736 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,640 outlined it to me I'll be your biggest 737 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,520 supporter I said Miss I can assure you 738 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,920 that you I will not double cross 739 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,839 you subsequently Mr Hayes sent word to 740 00:37:46,839 --> 00:37:49,520 me that he was in the Bethesda hospital 741 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,319 with an attack of 742 00:37:51,319 --> 00:37:54,680 ERS and but would I come and see him 743 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,599 which I did he then said Norm the only 744 00:37:57,599 --> 00:37:59,240 reason I've asked you to come out here 745 00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:01,920 is I just want to hear you say again you 746 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,560 will not double cross 747 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,720 me I gave him that 748 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:12,119 assurance and that was a basis of our 749 00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:15,960 relationship meantime Council took the 750 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,240 attitude expressed in these words Norm 751 00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:21,200 if you want to waste your time with this 752 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,680 guy as he called him you can go ahead 753 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,680 and do it but don't ever ask me to say 754 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,480 anything to him under any condition on 755 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,319 any 756 00:38:31,319 --> 00:38:34,319 subject so in a sense that cleared the 757 00:38:34,319 --> 00:38:37,560 de for me to operate in relation to 758 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,640 Hayes on my 759 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,599 own and as time 760 00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:45,560 passed 761 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,839 Hayes offered 762 00:38:48,839 --> 00:38:52,560 friendship which I hesitated to accept 763 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,839 because of his 764 00:38:54,839 --> 00:38:58,400 vulgarity and I didn't want to get mixed 765 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,760 up with him socially under any 766 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,839 condition well that was our ATM our con 767 00:39:06,839 --> 00:39:10,040 um our relationship for about three 768 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,319 months and then 769 00:39:12,319 --> 00:39:15,599 eventually I had occasion to add to my 770 00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:19,920 staff and as a result of adding to my 771 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,280 staff a Top Flight intelligence 772 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,040 officer both the Republican National 773 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,000 Committee and the and the White House 774 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,400 were resorted to to stop me from 775 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,280 continuing this investigation in the 776 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,359 direction that Carol ree had personally 777 00:39:38,359 --> 00:39:41,800 asked me to do which was to utilize this 778 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,319 investigation Mr Griffin to uncover the 779 00:39:46,319 --> 00:39:49,040 fact that this country had been the 780 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,359 victim of a 781 00:39:50,359 --> 00:39:53,480 conspiracy that was Mr Reese's 782 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,160 conviction I eventually agreed to carry 783 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,359 it 784 00:39:57,359 --> 00:40:00,680 out I explained to Mr Rees that his own 785 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,040 Council wouldn't go in that 786 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,200 direction he gave me permission to 787 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,560 disregard our own 788 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,319 councel and I had then to set up an 789 00:40:12,319 --> 00:40:14,599 aspect of the investigation outside of 790 00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:18,079 our office more or less 791 00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:22,200 secret and um the Republican National 792 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,000 Committee got wind of uh of what I was 793 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,880 doing 794 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,040 and they did everything they could to 795 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,079 stop me they appealed to council to stop 796 00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:35,400 me and finally they resorted to the 797 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,319 White House was there objection because 798 00:40:38,319 --> 00:40:40,200 of what you were doing or because of the 799 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,920 fact that you were doing it outside of 800 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,240 the official offices of the committee no 801 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:47,800 their objection was as they put it U my 802 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,880 devotion to what they call 803 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,920 anti-Semitism that was a cooked up idea 804 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,839 but in other words it wasn't true at all 805 00:40:56,839 --> 00:40:59,400 but anyway that's the way I expressed 806 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,119 it and um excuse me why and they made it 807 00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:05,480 stick why did they do that how could 808 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,480 they say that well they could say they 809 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,280 could say it Mr Griffin but but they had 810 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,800 to have 811 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,400 something in the way of a a 812 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,400 rationalization of their decision to do 813 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,040 everything they could to stop that stop 814 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,000 the completion of this investigation in 815 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,400 the direction that it was moving 816 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,240 which would have been an exposure of 817 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:32,800 this Carnegie endowment story and the 818 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,119 Ford foundation and the ganim and the 819 00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:39,400 Rockefeller Foundation all working in 820 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,440 harmony toward the control of Education 821 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,720 in the United 822 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:47,680 States 823 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,720 um well in any 824 00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:55,880 event to secure the help of the White 825 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,319 House in the picture they 826 00:41:59,319 --> 00:42:02,359 assigned they got the White House to 827 00:42:02,359 --> 00:42:04,040 cause 828 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,160 the um liazon personality between the 829 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,160 White House and the hill a major persons 830 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,960 to go up to Hayes and try to get him to 831 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,000 as it were actively 832 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,599 oppose what investigation was engaged 833 00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:25,400 in and Hayes very kindly then would 834 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,000 listen to the 835 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,680 visit from major person then he would 836 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,160 call me and say Norm come up to my 837 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,440 office I have a good deal to tell you I 838 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,920 would go up he' tell me I've just had a 839 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,440 visit from major persons and he wants me 840 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,640 to break up this investigation so I then 841 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,280 say well Wayne what did you do what did 842 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,520 you say to him he said I just told him 843 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:48,760 to get the hell 844 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,720 out and he did that three times and I 845 00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:54,400 got pretty proud of him in the sense 846 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,160 that he was as it were 847 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,359 backing me up and we finally embarked 848 00:43:01,359 --> 00:43:02,480 upon 849 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,880 hearings at Hayes request because he 850 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,839 wanted to get them out of the way before 851 00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:11,119 he went abroad the 852 00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:13,520 summer and 853 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,119 um but why were the hearings finally 854 00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:18,520 terminated what happened to the 855 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,559 committee what happened to the committee 856 00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:23,240 or the hearing the hearings H the 857 00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:26,400 hearings oh the hearings were terminated 858 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,839 Reese was up against such a furor as 859 00:43:30,839 --> 00:43:33,720 hay through through the activity of our 860 00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:34,760 own 861 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,520 Council Hayes became convinced that he 862 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,000 was being double crossed and he put on a 863 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,079 show in a public hearing room Mr Griffin 864 00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:48,599 that was an absolute disgrace and he 865 00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:51,119 called Carol ree publicly every name in 866 00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:52,040 the 867 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,800 book and Mr Reese took this as proof 868 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,240 that 869 00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:01,359 he couldn't couldn't continue the 870 00:44:01,359 --> 00:44:04,359 hearings 871 00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:07,599 um he 872 00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:11,280 actually invited me to accompany 873 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,240 him when he went down to Hay's 874 00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:19,319 office and in my presence with the tears 875 00:44:19,319 --> 00:44:22,119 rolling down his face haes apologized to 876 00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:25,240 Carol Reese for every done and his 877 00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:28,000 conduct 878 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,119 and um apologized to 879 00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:34,839 me and I thought that would be enough 880 00:44:34,839 --> 00:44:37,760 and Carol would 881 00:44:37,839 --> 00:44:41,760 resume but he never did the charge of of 882 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,040 uh anti-Semitism is kind of intriguing 883 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,880 to me what what was the basis of that 884 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,720 charge Char the basis for it at all no 885 00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:52,760 the basis that the Republican National 886 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,440 Committee used was that the intelligence 887 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,680 officer I'd taken on my 888 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,839 staff when I when I oriented this 889 00:45:00,839 --> 00:45:04,000 investigation to the exposure of and 890 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,880 proof of a 891 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,680 conspiracy was known to have a book and 892 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,079 the book was deemed to be anti-semitic 893 00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:15,599 this was childish but this was the 894 00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:17,480 second in command of the Republican 895 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,000 National Committee and he tried me I'd 896 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:20,680 have 897 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,640 to I would have to dismiss this person 898 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,480 from my staff who was that person to who 899 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,599 was that person the person yes a colonel 900 00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:32,800 Lee Lorraine Lee Lorraine yeah and what 901 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,559 was his book do you 902 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,839 recall the book they referred to was 903 00:45:39,839 --> 00:45:42,040 called Waters flowing 904 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,319 Eastward which was 905 00:45:44,319 --> 00:45:47,400 um um a 906 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,359 very castigation of the Jewish influence 907 00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:53,760 in the world what were some of the other 908 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,520 charges made by Mr Hayes 909 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,680 uh against Mr 910 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,720 Reese oh just just that Mr 911 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:06,119 Reese was uh utilizing this 912 00:46:06,119 --> 00:46:08,079 investigation for his own prominence 913 00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:10,839 inside the House of Representatives that 914 00:46:10,839 --> 00:46:15,839 was the only charge they hay could think 915 00:46:17,559 --> 00:46:22,079 of how would you describe the um the 916 00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:24,400 motivation of the people who created the 917 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,040 foundations the big foundations in the 918 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,720 very beginning what is or what was their 919 00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:33,440 motivation their motivation well let's 920 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,680 take let's take Mr carnegi as as an 921 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,920 example his publicly declared and 922 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:45,960 steadfast interest was to counteract the 923 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,040 the um departure of this of the colonies 924 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,720 from Great 925 00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:55,000 Britain he was devoted to just putting 926 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,800 the pieces back together 927 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,119 again would that have required the 928 00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:02,119 collectivism that they were dedicated to 929 00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:07,480 no no no no these these policies of or 930 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,760 the foundation's allegiance to 931 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,839 u to these unamerican concepts are all 932 00:47:14,839 --> 00:47:18,200 traceable to the type to the transfer of 933 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,920 the funds over and into the hands of 934 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:25,280 Trustees Mr Griffin that um not to men 935 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,359 who had a hand in in the creation of the 936 00:47:29,359 --> 00:47:33,760 wealth that led to the endowment of or 937 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,599 as a 938 00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:38,800 use of that wealth for what we would 939 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,359 call public 940 00:47:40,359 --> 00:47:42,920 purposes it was a subversion of the 941 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,680 original intent then oh yeah completely 942 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,880 so and that we got into the world 943 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:54,079 traditionally of bankers and 944 00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:56,319 lawyers how do you see see that the 945 00:47:56,319 --> 00:47:58,680 purpose and direction of the major 946 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,119 foundations has changed over the years 947 00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:04,559 to the present what is it today whole 948 00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:06,680 100% 949 00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,960 behind uh meeting the cost of Education 950 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:11,839 such 951 00:48:11,839 --> 00:48:15,920 as such as it is presented through the 952 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,119 schools and colleges of the United 953 00:48:18,119 --> 00:48:20,839 States on the subject 954 00:48:20,839 --> 00:48:24,680 of our history has proven our IDE our 955 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,079 original idea is to be no longer 956 00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:29,880 practical the future belongs 957 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,440 to a collectivistic 958 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,800 concept and 959 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,920 uh there just no no uh disagreement on 960 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,839 that why do the 961 00:48:43,839 --> 00:48:46,240 foundations generously 962 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:49,799 support uh communist causes in the 963 00:48:49,799 --> 00:48:53,520 United States well because to them what 964 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,559 communism represents a a means of 965 00:48:56,559 --> 00:48:59,200 developing what we call a 966 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,520 monopoly that is the organization 967 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,720 will'll say of of large scale 968 00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:10,359 industry into an an administer 969 00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:13,400 unit do they think that they will be one 970 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,280 of theator they will they will be the 971 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,760 beneficiaries of it 972 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,520 yes 973 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,520 e 974 00:49:59,610 --> 00:50:02,899 [Applause] 975 00:50:04,610 --> 00:50:06,799 [Music] 976 00:50:06,799 --> 00:50:09,559 we have seen their kind before they are 977 00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:11,000 The Heirs of all the murderous 978 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,880 ideologies of the 20th 979 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,480 century by sacrificing human life to 980 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,079 serve their radical Visions by 981 00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:19,960 abandoning every value except the will 982 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,799 to power they follow in the path of 983 00:50:22,799 --> 00:50:26,040 fascism Nazism and total 984 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,599 arianism and they will follow that path 985 00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:30,559 all the way to where it ends in 986 00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:34,359 history's unmarked grave of discarded 987 00:50:34,359 --> 00:50:39,040 lies every nation and every region now 988 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,599 has a decision to 989 00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:43,079 make either you are with 990 00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:46,920 us or you are with the 991 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,440 terrorists 992 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,160 freedom and fear are at 993 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,920 War the advance of human Freedom the 994 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,640 great achievement of our time and the 995 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,280 great hope of every 996 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,960 time now depends on 997 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,359 us our nation this generation will lift 998 00:51:34,359 --> 00:51:36,000 a dark threat of violence from our 999 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,760 people and our 1000 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:45,240 future when freedom is lost it is lost 1001 00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:48,200 forever we are losing the right to make 1002 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,640 our own determinations about what we 1003 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,599 think what we eat how we protect our 1004 00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:55,400 health how we protect our children 1005 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,520 children and whether in fact we are 1006 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,240 members of a free and Democratic Society 1007 00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:04,119 the purpose of Education in America 1008 00:52:04,119 --> 00:52:06,520 today is not education it is 1009 00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,079 indoctrination in internationalism in 1010 00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:11,040 collectivism and in atheism and they're 1011 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,280 doing a wonderful job they have to 1012 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,799 destroy the United States Constitution 1013 00:52:15,799 --> 00:52:17,599 and our way of life and they've got to 1014 00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:19,440 do so in such a way that will actually 1015 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,559 embrace it you have to get a hold of the 1016 00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:25,400 minds of a young why